Who's going Fury seriously for MOP?

[Sammonoske]

As it stands, I don't really like the idea of Fury being bad and suboptimal at the start of expansions and being good at the end of it. I will most likely stay Arms.

[Video Games]

They both feel like a mess and unfun to me but I will go whatever is the highest dps like always.

[beefchorizo]

im duel specing into fury as well as arms

[Firebert]

To all those that say that Fury's not viable: you're wrong. It's currently not optimal. It works perfectly fine in PvP. Check my signature.
(If it wasn't viable, Blizzard would have buffed it such that it would be viable.)

I'm interested to see how Fury's going to feel come Mists. The easy alternating rotation coupled with some very large numbers is pretty amazing in Random Battlegrounds and Arenas, especially as we currently get far more self-healing and a defensive cooldown over Arms.

[Synche]

I actually prefer Fury in PVE compared to Arms, I hope that they are able to make them both comparable and it just comes down to personal play style, not whichever spec is the best dps at a current teir due to buffs / nerfs

[whoranzone]

To all those that say that Fury's not viable: you're wrong. It's currently not optimal. It works perfectly fine in PvP. Check my signature.
[SIZE=1](If it wasn't viable, Blizzard would have buffed it such that it would be viable.)[

Well I took a look since I was curious but what particular part of your armory profile is supposed to tell me that it is now ? I mean don't get me wrong but I doubt that anyone denied that you could just mash the join battleground button and hilariously melt some faces with cooldowns up.

[ambigiouslynamed]

another flavor of the month er

[Firebert]

Well I took a look since I was curious but what particular part of your armory profile is supposed to tell me that it is now?

Point is, when ever wasn't it viable?

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another FOTMer

Er. No. I just prefer Fury over Arms.

Problem?

[God8010]

another flavor of the month er

FOTM? yeah right. FOTM would be like in cata for the short time fury damage was stupid good. Right now the damage isnt much different from arms, just that arms and fury will be on the same rage system, which before was the core reason fury didnt work unless it was attacked and fed rage.




This is nothing like FOTM. It's just functional.

[whoranzone]

Point is, when ever wasn't it viable?

Don't really see how fury pvp was ever viable except for a bit of the mentioned bg fun.

[Espada]

Come on... you must baiting flames saying "fury is viable, look at my armory"... where the only thing there is a 1450 2v2 team. When people says viable, means high rating viable. Not "the game let's you enter in rated pvp as fury". Solo arenas are viable too then. Just needs a friend to group with you and the game let's you enter and play alone.

[Firebert]

When people says viable, means high rating viable.

No, they usually mean "optimal" and don't know the difference between the two.

Don't really see how fury pvp was ever viable except for a bit of the mentioned bg fun.

Case in point.

[whoranzone]

Come on... you must baiting flames saying "fury is viable, look at my armory"... where the only thing there is a 1450 2v2 team. When people says viable, means high rating viable. Not "the game let's you enter in rated pvp as fury". Solo arenas are viable too then. Just needs a friend to group with you and the game let's you enter and play alone.

Have to agree there by that definition I could probably run bgs naked and still call it viable but well I remember now opinions on that may differ.

[Espada]

No, they usually mean "optimal" and don't know the difference between the two.


Case in point.

I don't know if in English viable means something different, but on my language it's something that works successfully, though not to the best of its possibilities. Being generous arms is viable, fury is mediocre. If mediocre means the same in English too. The three words are spelled just the same, curiously.

Rogue is optimal, just to set a standard.

[Firebert]

Rogue is optimal, just to set a standard.

Out of the Warrior specs, Arms is the optimal DPS spec, and Fury is a viable DPS spec, in the same way that Subtlety is the optimal Rogue PvP spec and the other specs are viable. Prot Warrior is probably the optimal Flag Carrying spec out of the four tanking specs across the four classes.
Out of all the classes, in threes a Rogue is the best class to have. In twos it's actually a Priest. However, in Arena, the composition means more than the actual classes, and as such we should be talking about the optimal and viable compositions instead.

Viable means "capable of being done with means at hand and circumstances as they are", as I understand it. And I've already described my position on classes not being viable. Fury may be mediocre in your opinion, but it is still viable, and this means you didn't differentiate between Arms and Fury in your description.

[asharia]

Short quote from GC: "Wielding two weapons ensures more consistent rage income, even when using two-handers. Fury will probably always have more Heroic Strike use." Link here

So not sure what you mean ;p

Fury rotation requires more rage. Which is why it generates more rage. Its like this on live right now. You cant afford to gear enough hit in pvp to get the rage generation you need to keep up constant pressure like arms can.

Plus, filling globals with cheap raging blows is a huge part of fury's dps. With rogue and such shiving you and removing your enrages, you cant do much.

[Firebert]

Fury rotation requires more rage. Which is why it generates more rage. Its like this on live right now. You cant afford to gear enough hit in pvp to get the rage generation you need to keep up constant pressure like arms can.

Plus, filling globals with cheap raging blows is a huge part of fury's dps. With rogue and such shiving you and removing your enrages, you cant do much.

You can use Slam instead. As a Fury PvPer on live, you get enough rage generated from enemy AoE attacks (or direct attacks on you) to keep you near capped (so you can basically bind HS to everything except BT and CS). The PvE rotation works well enough, with the occasional switch to Battle Stance for Rogues that pop Evasion, and Defensive Stance for Blood DKs (and more if you want to macro all your abilities).

Often, over 30% of my DPS in PvP is my white swings. Another 30% of it is Bloodthirst. The rest is roughly evenly split between HS, RB, Slam, WW, Cleave, and VR.

[asharia]

You can use Slam instead. As a Fury PvPer on live, you get enough rage generated from enemy AoE attacks (or direct attacks on you) to keep you near capped (so you can basically bind HS to everything except BT and CS). The PvE rotation works well enough, with the occasional switch to Battle Stance for Rogues that pop Evasion, and Defensive Stance for Blood DKs (and more if you want to macro all your abilities).

Often, over 30% of my DPS in PvP is my white swings. Another 30% of it is Bloodthirst. The rest is roughly evenly split between HS, RB, Slam, WW, Cleave, and VR.

We're talking about beta. Battlestance doesnt get rage from dmg taken. And if you go berserker, then your auto attacks generate half the rage. Without being focused in berserker stance, you cannot sustain a slam only rotation. You will have empty globals every 2-3. And heroic strike.. forget about it.

[Firebert]

We're talking about beta. Battlestance doesnt get rage from dmg taken. And if you go berserker, then your auto attacks generate half the rage. Without being focused in berserker stance, you cannot sustain a slam only rotation. You will have empty globals every 2-3. And heroic strike.. forget about it.

You said "its like this on live right now", so forgive me for thinking you were talking about live.

There shouldn't be a "Slam-only rotation", seeing as BT only has a 4.5s CD we should be weaving abilities inside the BT CD.

[God8010]

Of course they dont take long to screw with this spec.

that 30% chance proc on bloodsurge going to 20% does put a lot more weight on RB and WS to carry what OP is looking like.

good god blizzard. you people are just downright bad when it comes to breaking working setups with oddball reasons so few care about.

Let us play fury damn it.

*sad panda*