Resto Druids PVE

[moonfare]

I recently just got bored of PVP and wanted to start gearing for PVE. I'm trying to decide between going balance or resto, currently I'm resto in PVP and enjoy it but how are they in PVE? I feel like healing will be much more stressful or is that just me over thinking about it?

[silver9172]

Your over thinking it. The only “stressful” thing is keeping harmony up, but even that isn’t stressful.

[moonfare]

Your over thinking it. The only “stressful” thing is keeping harmony up, but even that isn’t stressful.

Haha thanks figured.

[Mudkiper]

Healing can be stressful on some fights, this tier isn't really stressful though. Anub'arak HC and Sinestra were two of the worst and most stressful fights to heal imo.

[iadamson]

- Keep 3 stacks of lifebloom up on tank.
- when you get clear casting use regrowth.
- Nourish the tank every 10 secs for harmony unless CC use regrowth.

[pank]

- Keep 3 stacks of lifebloom up on tank.
- when you get clear casting use regrowth.
- Nourish the tank every 10 secs for harmony unless CC use regrowth.

PRO tips man.Guess you are still healing Well Of Eternity or some other dungeon shit.L2P and don't bother posting total bullshit on someone asking for tips.

---------- Post added 2012-05-13 at 01:56 AM ----------

I recently just got bored of PVP and wanted to start gearing for PVE. I'm trying to decide between going balance or resto, currently I'm resto in PVP and enjoy it but how are they in PVE? I feel like healing will be much more stressful or is that just me over thinking about it?

To me healing isn't stressful at all.But of course opinions differ.If u have the right macros and Clique add-on,nicely set-up raid frames such as Vuhdo,Power Auras so as to monitor clearly you're CDs/ICDs and of course healing with mouse over commands so as to avoid clicking and shit,healing becomes a piece of cake.I personally heal ONLY by using my regular mouse and i only press the keyboard for the CDs.Regarding the ''how to heal part'' just watch some youtube videos and read mmo's thread,but since you're healing in arena at least you're familiar with the spells and their usage,more or less at least.

[baller1308]

It depends on what content you do. I only heal LFR so it's pretty lax. Check out the stick for resto info.

[qweek]

PRO tips man.Guess you are still healing Well Of Eternity or some other dungeon shit.L2P and don't bother posting total bullshit on someone asking for tips.

---------- Post added 2012-05-13 at 01:56 AM ----------



To me healing isn't stressful at all.But of course opinions differ.If u have the right macros and Clique add-on,nicely set-up raid frames such as Vuhdo,Power Auras so as to monitor clearly you're CDs/ICDs and of course healing with mouse over commands so as to avoid clicking and shit,healing becomes a piece of cake.I personally heal ONLY by using my regular mouse and i only press the keyboard for the CDs.Regarding the ''how to heal part'' just watch some youtube videos and read mmo's thread,but since you're healing in arena at least you're familiar with the spells and their usage,more or less at least.

Actually, his tips were the basics of healing for a raid encounter aswell. You gave a tip about personal taste, I don't like mouseover macros/clique personally and I don't see any advantages to use it. If he don't follow iadamson's tips he wont do any good, but as I said. Those are basics but they are still really important to keep in mind.

OnT: Healing this tier hasn't been that stressful. Healing Heroic Zon'Ozz was quite stressful the first weeks HC came out because of the lack of gear. The randomly lined up damage on the tank is just ridiculous and could one shot a tank through cooldowns. But nowadays with the nerfs I don't think it'll be any stressful.

[Karlzone]

PRO tips man.Guess you are still healing Well Of Eternity or some other dungeon shit.L2P and don't bother posting total bullshit on someone asking for tips.

He did tell us the basic things about restro healing. The rest is dependant on the fight and the dmg that is going out.

The most stressful part about this tier (i have not tried hc spine/madness tho) is healing hc zonozz. The worst part is when some melee runs out of range of every single healer and you gotta chase him by looking at your minimap because everything else is black. Healing ultraxion hc can make you panic too tho :P We killed it once with terrific dps. We managed to heal it until 3 sec until enrage. 10 man btw.

[pank]

Actually, his tips were the basics of healing for a raid encounter aswell. You gave a tip about personal taste, I don't like mouseover macros/clique personally and I don't see any advantages to use it. If he don't follow iadamson's tips he wont do any good, but as I said. Those are basics but they are still really important to keep in mind.

OnT: Healing this tier hasn't been that stressful. Healing Heroic Zon'Ozz was quite stressful the first weeks HC came out because of the lack of gear. The randomly lined up damage on the tank is just ridiculous and could one shot a tank through cooldowns. But nowadays with the nerfs I don't think it'll be any stressful.

On CC use regrowth?Seriously?U realize that regrowth activates Nature's Grace,which adds more ticks on ur Hots,thus to the 90% of ur healing and it has a 1m ICD,so it isn't ment to be used randomly unless ur a scrub.Also u don't see any benefit from mouseover?wtf?so to u,casting let's say even a rejuv would be clicking on the target and then pressing a keybind where as for me it's only placing my mouse over someone's raid frame and hit a mouse button,which takes like 1 sec.Yeah man,ur right,my method doesn't have any advantages,especially when we are talking about druids,that are raid healers(=constantly changing targets)

[LordBalkoth]

On CC use regrowth?Seriously?U realize that regrowth activates Nature's Grace,which adds more ticks on ur Hots,thus to the 90% of ur healing and it has a 1m ICD,so it isn't ment to be used randomly unless ur a scrub.Also u don't see any benefit from mouseover?wtf?so to u,casting let's say even a rejuv would be clicking on the target and then pressing a keybind where as for me it's only placing my mouse over someone's raid frame and hit a mouse button,which takes like 1 sec.Yeah man,ur right,my method doesn't have any advantages,especially when we are talking about druids,that are raid healers(=constantly changing targets)

CC you frequently don't have a choice. Nourish is too weak and does not consume CC while healing touch while very powerful is very slow. In a fast paced fight u gonna be doing regrowth on CC because you won't have a choice.

[Eleventh]

The current situation for resto druids isn't very good right now, compared to where they used to be. They are being outmatched by paladins by far and they are on equal terms with shamans and priests. The difference is that resto druids bring nothing to the raid that another healer can't bring. The only thing that is unique about resto druids is of course their HoTs, but Dragon Soul has a lot of instantaneous damage and people are getting topped before the HoTs tick now with the damage reduction buff in Dragon Soul. The only thing resto druids bring is a 3 minute raid cooldown (Tranquility), which is worse than Divine Hymn, where the only difference is the cooldown (8 minute on Divine Hymn for Holy Priests). I'm not saying it's bad, but it could be better since druids only bring healing to a raid now.

The fights where Resto Druids excel at are Morchok, Warlord Zon'ozz and Spine of Deathwing (debuff-"whoring"). The reason behind this is it's simply those fights where our HoTs are more useful and get to heal away. On Morchok there is a lot of damage that isn't random and you can easily pre-HoT and get into good position for the mace proc and if you are soaking the black goo you get a lot of healing via that as well. On Warlord you can have HoTs rolling on all targets with debuffs if your guild does not dispell them, which will make it a lot easier for the other healers. Spine of Deathwing is similar to Warlord, where you keep your HoTs rolling on the debuffed targets and you use cooldowns during AoE explosions or rolls.

The situation was different from the early state Dragon Soul where the debuff didn't exist and people didn't top damaged players as fast as now, that's why druids are on the downside right now. Hopefully it will change in Cataclysm and we get some amazing utilization abilities such as Symbiosis and our talent tree can be swapped around to cater every fight in a different way, and I can see many talents being useful in certain situations.

Healing as a Resto Druid can be stressful the first time you experience the encounter. The secret behind a good Resto Druid is knowing the fights, meaning you know where and when the damage is going to strike and you have your HoTs and position set up. When you've done the boss once or twice it gets a lot more comfortable and it's just like any other class, just that Druids specialize on HoTs more than smashing buttons and reacting to people's health dropping. You need to have an understanding of how you deal with the encounter and have a foresight of where the damage is being dealt. This is why I hate fights such as Madness of Deathwing (mainly the smash from the tentacle, it's random and stupid as hell). The most stressful fight I've encountered so far is Sinestra. Keeping Harmony up is neither hard nor stressful. Keep in mind that your Swiftmend applies Harmony and it has a 15 second cooldown, so basically if you keep your Swiftmend on cooldown you only need to throw in a Nourish, Regrowth or HT 6-7 seconds after you've Swiftmended someone. I know you don't keep Swiftmend on cooldown on certain fights because you need to base that decision on if Efflorescence is going to hit multiple people.

Sorry for the long post, but this is how I feel the current situation is. I don't have time to read through my post right now since I'm kind of in a rush.

Resto druids are awesome by the way!

[LordBalkoth]

The current situation for resto druids isn't very good right now, compared to where they used to be. They are being outmatched by paladins by far and they are on equal terms with shamans and priests. The difference is that resto druids bring nothing to the raid that another healer can't bring. The only thing that is unique about resto druids is of course their HoTs, but Dragon Soul has a lot of instantaneous damage and people are getting topped before the HoTs tick now with the damage reduction buff in Dragon Soul. The only thing resto druids bring is a 3 minute raid cooldown (Tranquility), which is worse than Divine Hymn, where the only difference is the cooldown (8 minute on Divine Hymn for Holy Priests). I'm not saying it's bad, but it could be better since druids only bring healing to a raid now.

The fights where Resto Druids excel at are Morchok, Warlord Zon'ozz and Spine of Deathwing (debuff-"whoring"). The reason behind this is it's simply those fights where our HoTs are more useful and get to heal away. On Morchok there is a lot of damage that isn't random and you can easily pre-HoT and get into good position for the mace proc and if you are soaking the black goo you get a lot of healing via that as well. On Warlord you can have HoTs rolling on all targets with debuffs if your guild does not dispell them, which will make it a lot easier for the other healers. Spine of Deathwing is similar to Warlord, where you keep your HoTs rolling on the debuffed targets and you use cooldowns during AoE explosions or rolls.

The situation was different from the early state Dragon Soul where the debuff didn't exist and people didn't top damaged players as fast as now, that's why druids are on the downside right now. Hopefully it will change in Cataclysm and we get some amazing utilization abilities such as Symbiosis and our talent tree can be swapped around to cater every fight in a different way, and I can see many talents being useful in certain situations.

Healing as a Resto Druid can be stressful the first time you experience the encounter. The secret behind a good Resto Druid is knowing the fights, meaning you know where and when the damage is going to strike and you have your HoTs and position set up. When you've done the boss once or twice it gets a lot more comfortable and it's just like any other class, just that Druids specialize on HoTs more than smashing buttons and reacting to people's health dropping. You need to have an understanding of how you deal with the encounter and have a foresight of where the damage is being dealt. This is why I hate fights such as Madness of Deathwing (mainly the smash from the tentacle, it's random and stupid as hell). The most stressful fight I've encountered so far is Sinestra. Keeping Harmony up is neither hard nor stressful. Keep in mind that your Swiftmend applies Harmony and it has a 15 second cooldown, so basically if you keep your Swiftmend on cooldown you only need to throw in a Nourish, Regrowth or HT 6-7 seconds after you've Swiftmended someone. I know you don't keep Swiftmend on cooldown on certain fights because you need to base that decision on if Efflorescence is going to hit multiple people.

Sorry for the long post, but this is how I feel the current situation is. I don't have time to read through my post right now since I'm kind of in a rush.

Resto druids are awesome by the way!

One correction. Holy priests get divine hymn from 8 minutes to 3 minutes by virtue of a talent heavenly voice 2/2 Disc priest get 8minutes divine hymn tho.

[Cambria]

On CC use regrowth?Seriously?U realize that regrowth activates Nature's Grace,which adds more ticks on ur Hots,thus to the 90% of ur healing and it has a 1m ICD,so it isn't ment to be used randomly unless ur a scrub.Also u don't see any benefit from mouseover?wtf?so to u,casting let's say even a rejuv would be clicking on the target and then pressing a keybind where as for me it's only placing my mouse over someone's raid frame and hit a mouse button,which takes like 1 sec.Yeah man,ur right,my method doesn't have any advantages,especially when we are talking about druids,that are raid healers(=constantly changing targets)

1st off, stop getting pissy over nothing. Getting overly upset over someone's take on healing is silly and insulting others is against our forum rules and isn't tolerated.

You only use your regular mouse to heal and only use your keyboard for CDs? A regular mouse is 3 buttons and we have a hell of a lot more than 3 buttons we need to be regularly using. Yes, using an addon like Vuhdo/Grid is significantly better and more efficient when healing, but don't insult people for the way they do it. If you use Vuhdo/grid/clique as a resto druid you better be using shift, alt, and even ctrl clicks also or you aren't using all your spells.

Also, yes, on CC it's better most of the time to use RG. It is impossible to be doing max healing while trying to pay attention to the exact time you need to use RG. As you said, it has a 1 min ICD, and lasts 15 seconds. With the way we heal, if NG is even going to be beneficial, you are going to be constantly healing anyway, especially hots. If you wait to use RG only times you know you will be healing straight hots for 15 seconds you will lose out on potential healing, it wont make up for not using RG on CC or just when needed.

[apostoloss]

try to heal against a disc priest spamming power word :shield in all raid (25man) and see how frustrating it is to heal something (at least heroic there is something to still heal) . I am healing with 2 - 3 hpalas 2 disc priest 1 rdruid (or change combo with rshaman replacing one pala) and its really hard to actually top healing charts. Esp if hpalas only care to spam holy radiance leaving me to try to keep tanks up also with spamming regrowth. Then you have 2 disc priests covering all damage (esp in fights where you can easily predict the inc damage ) lets say i have 2 options . Prespam rejuvs around , overhealing to try to get some healing done since with nerf and people gearing up with heroic gear fights last not as much as before (also timing traq for heavy damage period - unless someone else activates his cd before me) and second option hope disc priest dies in fight :P.

Seriously though esp in 25man and with alot of healers in the setup healing is frustrating . I thought of buffing mastery but notice using raidbot compare tool that my crit % is lower in my heals even if my gear is better now than before

[Mehman]

what needs to be said has been said, keep up lifebloom, blah blah blah, get propper addons / ui, and something i just want to stress: relax, healing is very relaxed, especially in 5mans, if someone drops to 50% health, dont freak out, chances are it wont happen again for a while, just hot him up abit and perhaps use a swiftmend if you're really worried. the only reason you have to use healing touch is if the tank is going to take a big hit in 3+sec time, because regrowth is bad and mana inefficient and stuff (bad as in very mana heavy, not as in bad HPS)

[axxey]

You don't need fancy raid frames, you don't even need mouseover macros. Blizzard raid frames are fine and if you're not as inept Pank you can very easily switch targeting things inside of global cooldown no problem.
I only ever switched to mouseover macros from playing holy paladin, attonement priest and resto shaman when I want my offensive targeting a lot for melee/smite/lightning. Nothing has changed since previous expansions where targeting then healing kept up fine(and ranked plenty of times) other than blizzard's raid frames not sucking.

[Inactivity]

On CC use regrowth?Seriously?U realize that regrowth activates Nature's Grace,which adds more ticks on ur Hots,thus to the 90% of ur healing and it has a 1m ICD,so it isn't ment to be used randomly unless ur a scrub.

If you aren't a scrub you realize that using more regrowths will maximize your NG uptime based on your logic, which is a good thing since it creates the most throughput. NG is hardly worth "saving" to the degree that you'll gimp your healing.

To the OP and others who are curious, go read this guy's "contributions" to the forums... yeah... don't listen to him.