The fact remains that LoL and even HoN and now very likely blizzard allstars have less to offer, and so are simply not worth playing, as you're only getting part of the total MOBA experience. When you take out entire aspects of gameplay, you have a lighter game. Some people might find this acceptable, not everyone wants the whole experience. But to pretend that these games are remotely comparable to DotA in competitiveness is exactly why we get into these arguments. People try to say that LoL is both easy but also somehow masterful, that DotA is both hard but also shallow and stupid, and that as a result blizzard allstars must be the next big thing because blizzard is such a great company. I just can't agree.