Ex armoy Colonel seeking amnesty for miliatry UFO spotters.

[Aspect of Death]

First time i have seen the media talking about it. They dont even write anything when FBI comes out with ufo sightings.
Personally i dont believe that we are the only once in the universe, that would be stupid to think, since its so huge. But if people feel better with thinking we are all alone then its okey to pretend.
Do i know if what all these people are saying, is true? no, but our galaxy have millions of stars, there are millions of galaxys, somewhere out there there is a star close enough a planet with an atmosfere. So our galaxy is 1 sandcorn in a beach, when you look on all the sandcorns, do you really think we are the only living earth?
1 sandcorn

Ohh there is one thing, or people working for the goverment etcetc, stand talking about "events" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
Havent seen all of it yet tho.

[Sayl]

I am a military officer and I happen to be one of the most illogical people I know, the job messes with your mind. Never trust the military, we tend to exaggerate things, it comes with the training. Be paranoid, expect the worst and plan for it.

The testimony of military officers, pilots, and policemen has always been a staple in the UFO proponent's toolkit. People think it seems compelling because in one way or another they are trained observers who hold positions of authority. Unfortunately, incorrect perceptions play the same tricks on everyone, regardless of profession, rank, training, or experience. Despite all our best efforts, Venus still gets cleared to land at airports, civilian and military.

[slime]

The testimony of military officers, pilots, and policemen has always been a staple in the UFO proponent's toolkit. People think it seems compelling because in one way or another they are trained observers who hold positions of authority. Unfortunately, incorrect perceptions play the same tricks on everyone, regardless of profession, rank, training, or experience. Despite all our best efforts, Venus still gets cleared to land at airports, civilian and military.

Phew, before I read all of your posts on this thread I was worried there was no one left that knew everything.

[Sayl]

Ohh there is one thing, or people working for the goverment etcetc, stand talking about "events" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
Havent seen all of it yet tho.

I have. That video's 11 years old.

Steven Greer's group has been trying to pester Congress for years to secure open hearings, claiming that the U.S. Government is hiding "the truth" about aliens from the public. It's largely a publicity gambit. If Greer or his witnesses actually possessed empirical evidence to show their claims are correct (like fragments of alien technology, metals, all the stuff they say they have but won't show), they wouldn't even need Congress in the first place. Such evidence would stand on its own via scientific analysis.

Besides, since they believe a massive cover-up is being perpetrated, trying to lobby for a government response, including investigation of their own people and materials would risk putting the alleged evidence right into the hands of government he states isn't telling us "the truth." That really makes no sense.

As for the witness claims, I'm confident that some are innocently mistaken, others are just incorrect (and have been shown so), and I think a strong case can be made that some are deliberately dishonest.

Witness testimony alone does not satisfy scientific rigor.

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Phew, before I read all of your posts on this thread I was worried there was no one left that knew everything.

I guess you can rest easy then.

[Elim Garak]

Even if there's a higly advanced Alien Sentient Life out there (there is a high chance for that and not for just 1 but maybe a whole council of aliens - intergalactic form of UN if you will) who can send ships to Earth - they wouldn't be flashing as UFOs. They also wouldn't contact governments at all. Becuase they are higly advanced not only technologically, but ethically too.

They would certainly have rules against contacting primitive species. Such contacts would ruin the natural development path of said species. Thus depriving them from a chance to develop into something interesting and new for the universe - something that would be of high value in eyes of these Highly Advanced Aliens.

I personally think that all those UFO sightsings fall into 3 categories:
1. Secret military projects - that would explain military silence.
2. Distracting Engine for Governments to hide something real from the attention of the public.
3. Halucinations imbued by p1 or p2 or both

[RICH8472]

I find it funny that people still believe Area 51 is home to alien technology, they are so gullible.

[tiporispit]

There's a reason they don't really use the term anymore. The term UFO is now synonymous with aliens because the general public is retarded. The "U" means unidentified. That means it could describe unknown tech from a foreign country, unknown physics phenomenon, etc. Yeah, little green men from 100 light years away expended an immeasurable amount of resources constructing a starship, so they could travel across the galaxy to study what amounts to... human ants. Get real.

[RICH8472]

There's a reason they don't really use the term anymore. The term UFO is now synonymous with aliens because the general public is retarded. The "U" means unidentified. That means it could describe unknown tech from a foreign country, unknown physics phenomenon, etc. Yeah, little green men from 100 light years away expended an immeasurable amount of resources constructing a starship, so they could travel across the galaxy to study what amounts to... human ants. Get real.

It's not like anthropologists study native tribes still using bone weapons.

[Finangus]

Ohh there is one thing, or people working for the goverment etcetc, stand talking about "events" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
Havent seen all of it yet tho.

Oh god, not that crackpot scam artist. This is the same guy that charges people thousands of dollars to come make contact with ETs with him, which consists of sitting around a campfire at night and thinking happy thoughts. This is also the same guy that claimed he had been telepathically contacted by aliens because their secret base under some mountain was under attack by US special forces.

Seriously, take anything this guy is attached to with a fistful of salt.

[tiporispit]

Even if there's a higly advanced Alien Sentient Life out there (there is a high chance for that and not for just 1 but maybe a whole council of aliens - intergalactic form of UN if you will) who can send ships to Earth - they wouldn't be flashing as UFOs. They also wouldn't contact governments at all. Becuase they are higly advanced not only technologically, but ethically too.

They would certainly have rules against contacting primitive species. Such contacts would ruin the natural development path of said species. Thus depriving them from a chance to develop into something interesting and new for the universe - something that would be of high value in eyes of these Highly Advanced Aliens.

I personally think that all those UFO sightsings fall into 3 categories:
1. Secret military projects - that would explain military silence.
2. Distracting Engine for Governments to hide something real from the attention of the public.
3. Halucinations imbued by p1 or p2 or both

You are applying human traits to organisms that developed in a different place and time. It has been proven that war drives technology for our species. If we want to apply our progress model to a foreign species, we would assume they would have to be world-conquering asshats to have developed that level of technology. The option is to consider they developed independently and differently, and may not have the ethical boundaries you heard in the Prime Directive. Therefore, they may, indeed, contact government from the get-go.

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It's not like anthropologists study native tribes still using bone weapons.

Anthropologists get a plane ticket, a shovel and a brush. Do you think the field would be thriving if the device requirements were bumped up to a nuclear powered submarine, industrial borers and robots? If you don't see the difference between the cost to study human bones and the cost to build, power and maintain starships... well... we have nothing else to discus.

[Elim Garak]

You are applying human traits to organisms that developed in a different place and time. It has been proven that war drives technology for our species. If we want to apply our progress model to a foreign species, we would assume they would have to be world-conquering asshats to have developed that level of technology.

Eh, you first saying that i'm applying human traits to them, then saying I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.
Technological progress forces ethical progress. They are linked. If aliens existed and they were violent warmongering ass-hats - we would be slaves long ago. (Like in Star Gate lol), may be we are just extremely lucky though but that means UFO's are not aliens.

The option is to consider they developed independently and differently, and may not have the ethical boundaries you heard in the Prime Directive. Therefore, they may, indeed, contact government from the get-go.

Prime Directive forbids contacting non-space fairing (pre-warp in terms of ST) primitive species (directly with the purpose of contacting them for the sake of the first contact), and all episodes in Star Trek that deal with such situations are mostly the ones where humans (or Vulcan or whatever) fucked up and revealed themselves to natives accidentally or in violation of Prime Directive.

Also it applies only to Starfleet. Civilians can do what they want. So maybe some of the UFO's we see are really the spaceships of alien hillbillies. Lol.

Though I think we shouldn't apply ST terminology to real life.

[RICH8472]

Eh, you first saying that i'm applying human traits to them, then saying I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.
Technological progress forces ethical progress. They are linked. If aliens existed and they were violent warmongering ass-hats - we would be slaves long ago. (Like in Star Gate lol), may be we are just extremely lucky though but that means UFO's are not aliens.


Prime Directive forbids contacting non-space fairing (pre-warp in terms of ST) primitive species (directly with the purpose of contacting them for the sake of the first contact), and all episodes in Star Trek that deal with such situations are mostly the ones where humans (or Vulcan or whatever) fucked up and revealed themselves to natives accidentally or in violation of Prime Directive.

Also it applies only to Starfleet. Civilians can do what they want. So maybe some of the UFO's we see are really the spaceships of alien hillbillies. Lol.

Though I think we shouldn't apply ST terminology to real life.

Would explain the anal probes and fascination with cattle.

[Elim Garak]

Would explain the anal probes and fascination with cattle.

that was my line of reasoning

[zorkuus]

People are very fast to jump to conclusions. "I think there's life elsewhere in the universe, therefore it must be intelligent and they must've visited us".

Is it possible there's life elsewhere? Yes. Is there any compelling evidence for it? No.
Is it possible there's intelligent life elsewhere? Yes. Is there any compelling evidence for it? No.
Is it possible aliens have visited us? Yes. Is there any compelling evidence for it? No.

Just because something is possible it doesn't logically follow that it must've actually happened.

[RICH8472]

Has anybody considered that maybe we are the most advanced life form in the galaxy? For all we know the closest Aliens could still be swinging from the trees or rolling in the mud.

[hellfellow]

People are very fast to jump to conclusions. "I think there's life elsewhere in the universe, therefore it must be intelligent and they must've visited us".

Is it possible there's life elsewhere? Yes. Is there any compelling evidence for it? No.
Is it possible there's intelligent life elsewhere? Yes. Is there any compelling evidence for it? No.
Is it possible aliens have visited us? Yes. Is there any compelling evidence for it? No.

Just because something is possible it doesn't logically follow that it must've actually happened.

iv just watched a load of stargate and im thinking you probably have watched a bit too much aswell haha

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Anthropologists get a plane ticket, a shovel and a brush. Do you think the field would be thriving if the device requirements were bumped up to a nuclear powered submarine, industrial borers and robots? If you don't see the difference between the cost to study human bones and the cost to build, power and maintain starships... well... we have nothing else to discus.

tell that to the marine biologists who go down in subs to look at things like this

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...cience-oceans/

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Has anybody considered that maybe we are the most advanced life form in the galaxy? For all we know the closest Aliens could still be swinging from the trees or rolling in the mud.

just did a youtube search for rolling in the mud.....if we are the most advanced life form god help the others haha

[Elim Garak]

Has anybody considered that maybe we are the most advanced life form in the galaxy? For all we know the closest Aliens could still be swinging from the trees or rolling in the mud.

Yeah, it's quite possible. it is also possible we are just one of the most advanced races in the galaxy.
It is more plausible that there are older races out there, older up to billions of years - if they still exist that is.
Our galaxy is ~13b y/o, but the disk (and spiral arms) are only ~9b y/o. Our sun is ~5b y/o - so it took it that much time to get us to this point in time. But there's still a ~4b years window in which other stars could produce a planet suitable for life (any kind) that developed sentience before us.

I doubt they "appeared" simultaneously and all died out long ago at the same time, in fact I think they were quite evenly spread over those 4b years. So there might be races just like us, or 100 years older, or 1000 years older, etc - or all kind of ages at the same time. And of course younger ones of all sorts.

The fact that we have no evidence (thru contact) of them can mean that:
1. We are alone in this galaxy
2. Galaxy is really a huge thingy

We know that p.2 is true. So having p1. as true too is less plausible.

[Sayl]

Oh god, not that crackpot scam artist. This is the same guy that charges people thousands of dollars to come make contact with ETs with him, which consists of sitting around a campfire at night and thinking happy thoughts.

And if you don't have $2500 to blow on one of Greer's scam sessions, you can buy his E.T. contact iPhone app for only $6.99. Yeehaw!

[Emberhelm]

If aliens are visiting us, we're probably a giant reality TV program to them.

"Haha look at these assholes! Bill, come check this shit out."

We're the YouTube of the universe.

This is absolutely correct! Haha, good times. I've thought this for a long time too....