I've always wondered what Jaina's stance on the Barrens war was. She doesn't seem to have taken on a more aggressive stance. But the soldiers there have Theramore, not Stormwind, tabards, and clearly came from Dustwallow. My guess is that Jaina, while peace keeping, couldn't really do anything to stop it, but her novel will hopefully shed more light on it.
Is anyone honestly surprised?
"A storm is coming,' Frank says. 'A storm that will swallow the children. And I will deliver them from the kingdom of Bane. I'll deliver the children back to their doorsteps. I'll send the monsters back to the underground. I'll send them back to a place where no one else can see them except for me, 'cause I am Donnie Darko."
As a proud member of the Alliance, I actually think this isn’t bad. It shows that we save the city (I think) lay honour to our dead and show the Horde that they can’t just trample on us without retaliation.
I will wait until I actually play the scenario to pass my judgment, but just because we don’t kick the entire Horde’s tooshies there and then; it doesn’t mean we are going to get the weak side of the story. A good story doesn’t entail killing the most of the opposite team or the dropping of bombs on civilians; it will be about what happens, what it will lead to come MoP and how it develops Jaina as a character. I am hoping this is going to be the start of something grand for the Alliance lore wise.
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I do wonder what the Horde side of the story will be like. I kind of hope that we don’t actually take part in the attack itself, murdering civilians is not what the Horde is about. I would like it if perhaps Vol’jin or another senior Horde member discovered Garrosh’s plan and sent the player out to ether stop or minimize the damage, only for it not to work out that way…
Last edited by Summerwine; 2012-05-18 at 03:53 AM.
You get there and wipe out the stragglers who stayed behind to loot the place. Hardly epic or exciting. And to be honest, even if it is the latter...Blizzards mishandling of the entire story is simply highly biased and uninteresting.
Noone wnats to loose all the time. Theres no point to playing.
Noone wants to win all the time. Theres no challenege.
And while this might be the story Blizzard wants to tell, so far their story has been poor, and told even worse.
Right now, I am uninterested in both the Horde and Alliance stories. For something so important to the game, something that is supposed to hook the players, to keep them attached to the gameworld, thats a very bad sign.
OTOH, maybe she agreed that Garroshs attack and invasion of Ashenvale was worth stopping. Maybe she felt upholding her commitments to the Alliance in the face of naked Horde agression was worth a fight. Of course, its not beyond possibility that Blizzard butchered her character too.
Last edited by Talen; 2012-05-18 at 05:36 AM.
The Alliance don't "reclaim Theramore" they reclaim a load of ruins by that are prolly suffered from the same arcane fallout you see from mana bombs. Blizzard could have gone with a bitter-sweet win for the Horde (they succeed but with massive losses and are left to question what the point was), whilst the Alliance and garrison perform a heroic last stand to get the civilians away. Yes they lose but the damage to the population is minimised and it very much feels like a Pearl Harbour scenario rather than "Sorry but your victory is in another quest zone" that Cataclysm was.
Think about it like the Hoth battle in The Empire Strikes Back, "One transport is away" that sort of thing instead of the end of "A girl worth fighting for" in Mulan.
Last edited by CHALET; 2012-05-18 at 08:38 AM.
Any word on where Jaina's tower is ending up? Last I heard about it, it was to be teleported off somewhere, or so it was theorized.
... it aint hovering above the Stormwind Park Crater now, is it?
I'm content with how this scenario is shaping up - coming from someone who is pretty loyal to the Alliance and specifically, Theramore. Despite it being my FAVORITE hub for the Alliance, it is exciting to see some changes. And the dynamic roleplay possibilities.../drool
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Like I said before, probably won't be as epic as the Horde version, but that was unavoidable without doing away with the fall of Theramore completely.
We have a few Scenario objectives that are presented without any context. "Destroy any remaining Horde in the ruins of Theramore" can mean anything from defeating a handful of stragglers, to defeating a small force left on the isle as a garrison, to defeating half the Horde army since they haven't had time to move most of their troops off the isle. The last Siege Weapon can be anything from a random demolisher to some sort of one-of-a-kind Goblin Ultra-tank. The "Horde Shaman" could be a nameless Shaman, true, but there is no reason to assume this.
I understand we have to account for the possibility that Blizzard is going to mess this one up. But always assuming the absolute worst is no way to enjoy the game.
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Ohhh, you get to destroy a... siege engine! One lonely siege engine! It's ok, Garrosh has 10 at the backgate of Orgrimmar. Now if you'd have destroyed a Horde skyship I'd have said, it's epic for both the Horde and the Alliance, but a siege engine? hahhahahahahahahahaha.
-partially destroyed walls check
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Nonsense. Thats the lazy answer. You can build an epic story out of a defeat. Its all in how you handle it. People here on this very forum have given the basis of more credible/epic storylines that would still end with Theramores fall.Like I said before, probably won't be as epic as the Horde version, but that was unavoidable without doing away with the fall of Theramore completely.
Destroy the Horde siege engines that yet remains....?We have a few Scenario objectives that are presented without any context. "Destroy any remaining Horde in the ruins of Theramore" can mean anything from defeating a handful of stragglers, to defeating a small force left on the isle as a garrison, to defeating half the Horde army since they haven't had time to move most of their troops off the isle. The last Siege Weapon can be anything from a random demolisher to some sort of one-of-a-kind Goblin Ultra-tank. The "Horde Shaman" could be a nameless Shaman, true, but there is no reason to assume this.
Destroy any remaining horde in the ruins of Theramore...?
Maybe the wording is misleading. As things stand...the Horde appears to be pulling out.
Its proven fairly accurate to date.I understand we have to account for the possibility that Blizzard is going to mess this one up. But always assuming the absolute worst is no way to enjoy the game.