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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Valamivan View Post
    If authenticator is as mandatory as the blue claims then I only have one question: why isn't it bundled with the products? We buy the product and it's the company's responsibility to provide the service safely. If they require us to use this second line of defense to be able to secure their services then they should be providing that second line of defense WITH the product. Even if it would mean that the product would cost a wee bit more.
    (Sorry, I'm just really tired of Blizzard's attitude "working as intended, if something's wrong the user's to blame", on nearly every issue brought up by their customers.)
    You are missing the point. Blizzard is responsible for secure servers and services. What is going on on your system has nothing to do with them. That is what the authenticator is for - preventing your account from being compromised through eg malicious software (which in fact, the consumr is in most cases responsible for).

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkyn View Post
    You are missing the point. Blizzard is responsible for secure servers and services. What is going on on your system has nothing to do with them. That is what the authenticator is for - preventing your account from being compromised through eg malicious software (which in fact, the consumr is in most cases responsible for).
    He's not missing the point at all actually. He is spot on about Blizz should be including the extra layer of security in the shipped out (or downloaded) product. He is also spot on about including that cost in the price of the game. That being said, people are having their accounts compromised even when they are protected by either the physical or mobile authenticators, the blue even admits it. With that fact alone, Blizzard should stop blaming the users and start looking more closely at what is actually going on. The blame game helps absolutely no one.

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    So about that lock armor set.... Is that a huge skull on his belt or is he just happy to see you
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkyn View Post
    You are missing the point. Blizzard is responsible for secure servers and services. What is going on on your system has nothing to do with them. That is what the authenticator is for - preventing your account from being compromised through eg malicious software (which in fact, the consumr is in most cases responsible for).
    Maybe, maybe not. All I am saying is that it's kinda frustrating at this point that Blizzard's dancing all around the phrasing, hinting/suggesting that authenticator is mandatory without actually saying it is mandatory (because otherwise they need to point it out at every step, like when opening bnet accounts and people would think twice about opening accounts and buying games), instead keep offering this second layer of security as optional.
    They themselves bring up the example of the Adobe Flash vulnerability - show me one person who hasn't got flash installed with his browser. That is not a malware or suspicious software. All in all, they should be the ones making the product as safe as possible. If they gotta add authenticator to every bnet account to make it so then they should do it. Or if they intend to keep it optional, notify the user at every step they take without the authenticator that they are vulnerable and do so only at own risk.
    But first just simply stop preaching it as mandatory while they keep offering it as optional.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by brantay1018 View Post
    That being said, people are having their accounts compromised even when they are protected by either the physical or mobile authenticators, the blue even admits it.
    Wrong, try reading the blue post again.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by BigToast View Post
    Wrong, try reading the blue post again.
    "If you have the physical or mobile authenticator (both of which major banks use and charge $30+ for) the chances of you being compromised are very, very small. I've personally examined the MSInfo files of nearly all of the handful of WoW players who have actually been compromised through an authenticator, and the sheer number of backdoor programs and other malware on their systems has been mind boggling."

    Perhaps you should try reading it again.

  7. #47
    Sorry, I thought you meant the Blizzard mobile authenticator or physical one, not the non-blizzard ones. They acknowledged that the non-blizzard ones have been hacked in rare circumstances, which of course were not specifically made for Blizzard games, so I don't understand your point.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by BigToast View Post
    Sorry, I thought you meant the Blizzard mobile authenticator or physical one, not the non-blizzard ones. They acknowledged that the non-blizzard ones have been hacked in rare circumstances, which of course were not specifically made for Blizzard games, so I don't understand your point.
    This is talking about the Blizz authenticator. The point is that playing the blame game helps absolutely no one. Compromised accounts have skyrocketed since the release of D3. I have no doubt that many of these were due to user error. I also have no doubt that many may not have been due to user error. Something else may be going on here, something that cannot be controlled by the user and I think Blizzard is too quick to place the blame solely on the user. Blizzard is approaching this with the wrong mindset and it may come back around to stab them in the back.
    Last edited by brantay1018; 2012-05-28 at 06:09 PM.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by brantay1018 View Post
    This is talking about the Blizz authenticator. The point is that playing the blame game helps absolutely no one. Compromised accounts have skyrocketed since the release of D3. I have no doubt that many of these were due to user error. I also have no doubt that many may not have been due to user error. Something else may be going on here, something that cannot be controlled by the user and I think Blizzard is too quick to place the blame solely on the user. Blizzard is approaching this with the wrong mindset and it may come back around to stab them in the back.
    If you've been playing for a while you know the recent account compromises at the release of D3 is not new in any way, shape, or form. Every expansion or release comes with a definite jump in hacked accounts so no, there's nothing going on here. People will never admit to being careless and dumb with their account security and they will always look to blame Blizz or anyone else except themselves.

  10. #50
    Again, my apologizes, so the authenticator was the blizz one, but, like they said, the computer was a trojan/malware mess. All evidence points to personal responsibility when it comes to account security. The point is that it is not an issue on blizzard's end, its an issue on the players end to combat the relentlessly ruthless hackers and we have the tools to do it. Now I wan't paying too much attention pre-launch to see if Blizz warned D3 players adequately about account security. A lot of players aren't wow players and don't know how these hackers work, so maybe they should have warned these people better. Regardless, the Blizzard servers aren't compromised, individual's computers are. So until there's a program that has Ghostcrawler's head pop up with a warning whenever one does something that may compromise their security, the onus is on the player, not the game.

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    The music is beautiful. Which is not to imply that previous World of Warcraft music is not - but there is something to be said for freshness.

    I have it looped right now while doing other activities. <3

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    Oh, and the warlock trolling the mailbox was hilarious. I am almost seriously tempted to level my warlock now.

  12. #52
    I looked at the warlock trolling the mailbox and I was reminded of all the times it has been nearly impossible to access the mailbox or a quest giver because of someone sitting on it on their mammoth or other huge mount. Hope the locks only do this in Ogrimmar or Stormwind where other mailboxes are readily available.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Valamivan View Post
    If authenticator is as mandatory as the blue claims then I only have one question: why isn't it bundled with the products? We buy the product and it's the company's responsibility to provide the service safely. If they require us to use this second line of defense to be able to secure their services then they should be providing that second line of defense WITH the product. Even if it would mean that the product would cost a wee bit more.
    (Sorry, I'm just really tired of Blizzard's attitude "working as intended, if something's wrong the user's to blame", on nearly every issue brought up by their customers.)
    They sell the authenticator for exactly what it costs to produce them, and the mobile authenticator is free. Additionally, they've given away free authenticators to people who have gotten their accounts compromised.

  14. #54
    I'll never understand buying gold. The whole point of a game is achievement. Its fun because you overcome and achieve. If you just slap down your credit card to "have" instead of "achieve", you've just defeated that purpose. Of course, that is the typical American mindset.

  15. #55
    ololo my warlock just pwn all

  16. #56
    No single set yet that looks good. :S

    Blizz, hire some of the D3 art designers!!!
    Totally agree with this.

  17. #57
    If you have the physical or mobile authenticator (both of which major banks use and charge $30+ for) the chances of you being compromised are very, very small. I've personally examined the MSInfo files of nearly all of the handful of WoW players who have actually been compromised through an authenticator, and the sheer number of backdoor programs and other malware on their systems has been mind boggling.
    I've been a computer tech for a long time, and I've never had a single malicious security breach on any of my computers that I'm aware of, but I attached one of the very first batches of physical authenticators to my account. Why? Because no matter how good I am, sooner or later they were going to get me. But now, they can't.
    That doesn't sound right...

  18. #58
    Why don't they just give us the horns and mask and remove the hat.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Elf View Post
    Anyone else noticed how this warlock set bears some Illidan-like characteristics? Like obviously the horns, arcane marking on the chest and having a blindfold with glowing eyes underneath, on their helmet, shoulder and belt? Or am I just being hopeful...?
    When I first saw this armor set "Illidan Stormrage" shot into my brain. I don't really play a Warlock but Illidan is my favorite Warcraft character and this set here just makes me want to roll Warlock from the start of Mist of Pandaria. Fingers are still crossed they bring him back.
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    loving the armor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Elf View Post
    Anyone else noticed how this warlock set bears some Illidan-like characteristics? Like obviously the horns, arcane marking on the chest and having a blindfold with glowing eyes underneath, on their helmet, shoulder and belt? Or am I just being hopeful...?
    now that i've had a closer look yes it does have some inspiration from Illidan and also contains a little bit of the nemesis design in there.

    the terror guard looks pretty awesome. i wonder though if you can enchant it's weapons? i doubt it...

    Demonic Gateway... first impressions, awesome! i can already see some possibilities in pvp
    the you aren't getting any mail trolling is pretty cool lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tirilka View Post
    I'm very jealous of the whole Warlock class in MoP. Though, all these updates for locks are deserved, they were the most boring class for me.
    looks like warlocks will be viable again. for a long while they have been under powered. now it looks like we may get to be top of the food chain again
    Last edited by Massacher; 2012-07-30 at 12:29 PM.

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