Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ...
2
3
4
5
LastLast
  1. #61
    Legendary! Nindoriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    6,199
    Quote Originally Posted by procne View Post
    Personally I don't want companies to spend millions on arts and top notch graphics. I'd rather have them make good games instead of barely playable HD videos these games become. But that's just me, I guess most of the playerbase prefers casusal and shallow, but pretty games. Indie games is what's left for me
    But I bet you must've played at least one such game, or not?
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince McMahon
    Puke is good. Puke is nice. It fits the WWF Attitude.

  2. #62
    I did play plenty of them, like Deus Ex HR, Mass Effect 2, Civ 5, Anno 2070 or Skyrim (from the recent games). From those only Deus Ex and Skyrim caught my attention for longer than a week, because other are shallow and repetitive.

    Most of the time I spend playing indie games.
    I have enough of EA ruining great franchises and studios, forcing DRM and Origin on their games, releasing incomplete games only to sell day-1 DLCs or spill dozens of DLCs, and then saying it, and microtransactions, is what players want, stopping players from giving EA games poor reviews, as well as deflecting complaints with cheap PR tricks.

    I'm not going to buy any game by EA as long as they continue those practices.

  3. #63
    The Patient Arch0s's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    England - North East
    Posts
    309
    eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/grim-batol/Fatál/simple

    Warrior main.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Solitare-sp View Post

    Really? You explain how a smallish development company can get $25m to make a fairly standard game... GTA IV apparently cost $100m.
    You make it sound like you need to spend a lot to get anything, but how often do big games that took millions to make by big companies flop? Why does an indie game care if they don't get wide spread sales? Many that are well received can double their costs in sales.

    The video game industry has this thing where they have to just keep throwing out more and more money and then the publisher decides they've spent enough and releases the game broken so they can't even cover costs.

    It's not sustainable. Can some things take a ton of money and pay off? Sure but pretending it is the norm is not healthy and the industry is showing it. They need to get their budgets under control and focus on making good games and care less about graphics.

  5. #65
    Legendary! Nindoriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    6,199
    Quote Originally Posted by procne View Post
    I did play plenty of them, like Deus Ex HR, Mass Effect 2, Civ 5, Anno 2070 or Skyrim (from the recent games). From those only Deus Ex and Skyrim caught my attention for longer than a week, because other are shallow and repetitive.

    Most of the time I spend playing indie games.
    Shallow and repetitive in what sense?
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince McMahon
    Puke is good. Puke is nice. It fits the WWF Attitude.

  6. #66
    Comparing to their predecessors.

    Mass Effect 2 had simplified combat and character progress comparing to ME 1. It also had more generic plot. 80% of the game was about recruiting new team members, and sometimes it felt forced. Game was more linear and had almost no exploration.

    Civilization 5, at least to me, was a simplified version of civ 4. Features like religion, corporations, hygiene, vassal states were removed for example.

    Anno 2070 repeats most of the 1404's mechanics. Single player campaign is shorter and additional missions seem to be all the same - "build city for xxxxx citizens".

    On the other hand, Skyrim offered big world, and while many quests were generic, it was interesting to explore it.

    Deus Ex HR is very much like DE1, but with many new features and very interesting plot.

    There is general tendency to simplify games to cater to larger audience.
    My biggest grudge is with Spore. Advertised as revolutionary game, about species evolution, taking from games like civilization, settlers or simcity, it turned out to be 5 minigames of pacman's complexity with creature editor. After this, and Simcity Societies, I am afraid of what will happen with Simcity 5.

    Those games sell very well and surely bring a lot of profit. But after almost 20 years of gaming they are too simple to me. By simple I don't mean "not difficult", but "not complex"
    I have enough of EA ruining great franchises and studios, forcing DRM and Origin on their games, releasing incomplete games only to sell day-1 DLCs or spill dozens of DLCs, and then saying it, and microtransactions, is what players want, stopping players from giving EA games poor reviews, as well as deflecting complaints with cheap PR tricks.

    I'm not going to buy any game by EA as long as they continue those practices.

  7. #67
    The Insane
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Where Thrall and the Horde needs me to be
    Posts
    15,060
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixuzcc View Post
    Because not everyone looks at major companies and goes "Yeah, they're the spawn of the devil."

    Not saying I like everything EA does. I just understand it. And not everything they do is bad, it's just that the bad always overshadows the good. In all kinds of situations. Case in point - every politicians career ever.
    However EA is infact the spawn of the Devil :P

    Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann

  8. #68
    i think the people here who actually loathe EA are a special demographic. They are real gamers. They know what is going on the industry and more importantly they are. The sad thing is that is a small portion of the target audience, i would bet, that EA goes after. The super casual gamer (ie the bro who plays Madden with friends whilst pounding beers) far outnumber those of us who are real gamers. They gobble up EAs crap because they don't know any better. Those that know don't support their company.

    Now if you know better and still went out and gobbled up ME3 at midnight at gamestop for 60 bucks...then yeah you are rather silly.

  9. #69
    Legendary! Caiada's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    The West end of the Southeast end of Amurrika
    Posts
    6,671
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlathe View Post
    Ummmm, no.

    They have gobbled up the studios that have pushed and innovated their respective genres. But rest assured, that once EA has purchased them, the quality of those franchises slow go down hill until they are an empty husk of their former self and the studios themselves are shut down.

    EA is a publisher who's main goal is to make as much return on their initial investment as they possible can.



    Critical acclaim by who? The same reviewing industry that is bought and paid for by the same publishers? When's the last time you've seen a bad (I'm talking 60% or lower) review of a major studios game?
    IGN gave Ninja Gaiden 3 a 3. IGN.

    This 'paid review industry' is greatly exaggerated.

  10. #70
    Legendary! Nindoriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    6,199
    Quote Originally Posted by u9k13tjc View Post
    Massively overpriced faction changes and character transfers ? Check.
    Rushed games of dubious quality subject to poor balance and immediate patching due to poor quality control ? Check.
    Pay to win in game cash shop ? Comming soon to a RMAH near you.

    Dont get me wrong, i dont dislike Bliz games. But their attitude as a company for the last few years is disappointing considering how they used to be. Apart from them increasing desire to gouge their players for as much money as possible, the reduction in quality and polish of products is marked.
    I don't want to judge a whole company, neither Blizzard nor EA, but offering content as DLC and charging them extra, instead of including that in the game, when it was already done when they released the game, is just a kick in the face of the player. So far Blizzard has not done that. They've still done a lot of questionable stuff. Prices for transfers and name changes could be lower. PEts and mounts should be obtainable in the game, instead of paying quarter to half the price of an expansion for one. They shouldn't try to charge us extra for a feature like crossserver-grouping. But at least they haven't pulled any DLC crap. The pets and mounts don't offer new content.

    But in some way I can understand it. In the end they are a big company and they have to make sure they have the right amount of money to finance their projects. I mean I don't know how much money game designers and programmers demand for the job they're doing. None of us really knows much about that stuff I guess. It's always easy to judge someone. And as for the quality of their games. WoW is an MMO. Usually Blizzard would say "it's done when it's done". But their subscriptions would drop if they go too long without new content. The problem about content is, it always takes longer to produce it, than it takes to play through.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince McMahon
    Puke is good. Puke is nice. It fits the WWF Attitude.

  11. #71
    I could be wrong, but wasn't the reason for the steep price of server transfers to prevent players from server hopping and causing unbalance?

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Caiada View Post
    IGN gave Ninja Gaiden 3 a 3. IGN.

    This 'paid review industry' is greatly exaggerated.
    Do I really need to explain this statement to you? Please, come up with a better example.

    Quote Originally Posted by u9k13tjc View Post
    Massively overpriced faction changes and character transfers ? Check.
    Rushed games of dubious quality subject to poor balance and immediate patching due to poor quality control ? Check.
    Pay to win in game cash shop ? Comming soon to a RMAH near you.

    Dont get me wrong, i dont dislike Bliz games. But their attitude as a company for the last few years is disappointing considering how they used to be. Apart from them increasing desire to gouge their players for as much money as possible, the reduction in quality and polish of products is marked.
    Faction changes and server transfers are not core content of the game. Neither are pets or mounts, although I'm a little disappointed that they are not earnable in game somewhere.

    Quality of games and bugs? Say what you will of Cataclysm, it was pretty fucking polished when it was released. Sure, some bugs do make it through, but that is to be expected. SC2 and D3 where also pretty polished, with minimal bugs at release.

    I'm not happy about the RMAH, but I'm not sure yet that it will really effect my game play. It also not core content of the game.

  13. #73
    Legendary! Caiada's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    The West end of the Southeast end of Amurrika
    Posts
    6,671
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlathe View Post
    Do I really need to explain this statement to you? Please, come up with a better example.



    Faction changes and server transfers are not core content of the game. Neither are pets or mounts, although I'm a little disappointed that they are not earnable in game somewhere.

    Quality of games and bugs? Say what you will of Cataclysm, it was pretty fucking polished when it was released. Sure, some bugs do make it through, but that is to be expected. SC2 and D3 where also pretty polished, with minimal bugs at release.

    I'm not happy about the RMAH, but I'm not sure yet that it will really effect my game play. It also not core content of the game.
    Explain how a 60 or a 70 MC score counts as good enough publicity to be payed for, and I might provide a better example. Games that get above a 'mixed reception' rating on MC are fairly rare.
    Last edited by Caiada; 2012-05-29 at 10:43 PM.

  14. #74
    what about activision?

  15. #75
    Looks like every game company out there to me. A lot of companies just call them expansions, not dlc.

    People are mad because they are sheep. With just a tiny bit of research I can see if a game is worth $50/$60 or if I should wait until it's in the 14.99 bin at walmart. (which is only ~3 months nowadays).

    Brainless zombies have been relieved of their money because they saw 'blah blah 3, now with more pixels' and couldn't wait to throw money at their local shopkeeper. Nowtheymad for something that is 100% their own fault.

    From a previous post "EA is a publisher who's main goal is to make as much return on their initial investment as they possible can."

    All I or anyone can say to that is.....DUH?!? Don't give me that 'some companies love making great games' if that happens as a side effect of making as much money as they can, as cheaply as they can, then that's great for them. But not one single company on the planet, not even virgin air, isn't in the business of squeezing every red cent they can out of every product.
    Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
    Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
    You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
    You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
    See how dumb that model is?

  16. #76
    Great video, gave me a laugh.

  17. #77
    I am Murloc! Ryme's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    In a field, somewhere
    Posts
    5,937
    Quote Originally Posted by procne View Post
    And the worst thing is that we allow it to happen by buying those games
    Not all of us do.
    I am the lucid dream
    Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh


  18. #78
    The incompetent rule over the ignorant in the corporate capitalistic world of today.

  19. #79
    I am Murloc! Digglett's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Rainbow Road
    Posts
    5,881
    Egotistical Assholes, lol'd. Fitting for a terrible company.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by procne View Post
    Personally I don't want companies to spend millions on arts and top notch graphics. I'd rather have them make good games instead of barely playable HD videos these games become. But that's just me, I guess most of the playerbase prefers casusal and shallow, but pretty games. Indie games is what's left for me
    That's because what used to be a dedicated playerbase of gamers has become your everyday average Joe who's gullible and completely lacking any form of critical thinking. Your standard Michael Bay movie fan.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •