View Poll Results: Is Jaina's new character something you're looking forward to?

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  • Yes, she needs to put the war in Warcraft

    673 63.67%
  • No, she should stay 'neutral' as she has always been

    76 7.19%
  • She should take action, but not to the extent to hate the horde.

    308 29.14%
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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Yeah, plus it really intersted me in what Jaina was thinking and what actions she was taking in this whole Alliance/Horde war that Garrosh and Varian had wanted

    Because her pushing for peace in a war that has already started, is to me kinda a lost cause
    This whole war started because of mutal distrust and old hatrds between the factions
    the War will only breed even more hate and distrust
    I mean seriously. Look at everyone she's tried to influence with her hippy peace pipe attitude...they are all evil, dead, or evil and dead. The only one that she had so much interaction with that hasn't gone that route is Thrall. And he completely abandoned her in a drug fueled 'I am One with the Elements pouting session'. And in that case, it wasn't even Jaina who saved him, but some random chick.

    Add that to having to watch people you have known your whole life, that you are responsible for, be slaughtered in your home. To be honest, she's not angry enough. I have a feeling that Jaina is going to cross a huge line in this story arc. She won't do anything that isn't justified, but what if her vengeance results in a bystanders death? It would be fitting that someone who has preached the value of peace for so long and finally snaps, proving to themself that they were right all along.

    You heard it here first.

    Jaina kills Thrall.

    *headsplosion*


    edit: (on accident obviously)

  2. #242
    I guess if it must be it must be but I liked that their was someone willing to stand between the 2 bulls Wrynn and Garrosh to keep them from killing each other. Of course Im sure Jaina respects Thrall more than Garrosh though.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    DOn't get me wrong, Im sad that Jainais changing from the thoughtful women she was, but its easy to understand how she reaches this point
    That's kind of what I'm getting at, the motivation isn't necessarily unbelievable (it's not organic either, but what the hey), but the choice of going down this route as a storyline for Jaina is problematic. It runs the very real risk, which I fully expect Blizzard to run headlong into, of turning her into every other character in terms of her political viewpoint.

    One of the biggest issues the WoW storyline faces overall is that the war angle is incredibly flimsy, and motivated by shallow, stupid characters that are driven by old grudges and personal hang-ups that make them difficult to take seriously as real, likeable people. It's been proved numerous times that the Alliance and Horde are far better off when they work together, but precious few characters in the game world have the mental capacity to appreciate that. It's the issue they face when trying to inject drama into a war between two factions where neither has the moral highground; either it comes across as silly and trivial, or both sides have to be turned into villains (something they focused on in Cataclysm) in order to make it work.

    It feels as though Jaina's going to become another victim of the awkwardly handled war storyline, with the same motivations as Varian or Garrosh, trying to bolster her appeal via generic badassery rather than realism and strength of character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Exerus View Post
    I guess if it must be it must be but I liked that their was someone willing to stand between the 2 bulls Wrynn and Garrosh to keep them from killing each other. Of course Im sure Jaina respects Thrall more than Garrosh though.
    Well I belive Varian's son will replace Jaina as the peaceful idealist

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    I'm excited for these hoping to see all out war on every front from every character lol

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    I think it's good for her character development for sure, but playing as Horde (and a mage) I've always LOVED Jania and felt that was okay since she pretty much was just neutral, now I'm gonna have to think of her as my enemy most likely. Sadface. : (

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treeskee View Post
    I'm excited for these hoping to see all out war on every front from every character lol
    I concur. The Burning Legion, N'Zoth and his puppet Azshara can all wait. For now I just want straight up bloody, vengeful, all out war rife with atrocities and havoc. I want Genn to part Sylvanas' head from her neck and then crush her skull under his boot. Let's see your Valkyr help you out this time.
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  8. #248
    Another good thing about that change is that we won't be hearing or reading silly comments such as "Jaina is neutral" anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Another good thing about that change is that we won't be hearing or reading silly comments such as "Jaina is neutral" anymore.
    Yeah, Jaian never was neutral, like ever
    She was and is a member of the Alliance
    Her being a peaceful idealist does not make her magically not a part of the Alliance anymore

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Another good thing about that change is that we won't be hearing or reading silly comments such as "Jaina is neutral" anymore.
    She was Alliance no doubt, but she has helped Horde figures (like Baine) and generally tried to keep the peace.
    It's really not that much out of step to say she was practically neutral until...provoked, and just wanted peace between the two factions.

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    I will never stop hating Jaina for betraying Varian and I in the fight for the Undercity. I hope she dies in MOP. or joins the horde. I /spit on her any time I am in Theramore or run Hyjal. She's a traitor, funny how Varian never mentions it again though.

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    I don't know I think she was just caught in the heat of the moment, she HATES Garrosh for sure, but I know she has her rational side still tucked away, but seeing her home destroyed by that Tyrant, her people killed? I think that might make anyone fly off the hook and rage like that. Afterwards she just sounds depressed.

    I like the way they're taking her, I want to see her come out of this stronger than ever.
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    Yeah, it's always WAR WAR WAR untill..BY ALL THAT IS HOLY DO YOU SEE THAT ENEMY OVER THERE?? GLORIOUS LOOT!!!!!

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    Gotta say, these two Know Your Lore -bits are really well written and give a clear view from both sides of the Southern Barrens conflict.

    - The Horde side
    - The Alliance side

    The only weird part was the writer's question of why Jaina didn't go to Baine to ask for permission for her forces to pass through and stuff. That's such a silly thing to ponder, as the Alliance reinforcements/supplies were going to aid the troops in Stonetalon/Ashenvale, therefore directly resulting in greater Horde casualties. Why does the writer think Baine would agree to something like that?

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    Is it me or does Jaina hair turn white?
    (Do you think it's from hatred and pain? Or from using ridiculous strong spell?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace1231337 View Post
    How is everyone feeling about her new personality. She sounds awfully pissed in her voice overs that were posted on the front page today. I know it's her responsibility to put everything aside and protect Theramore but is anyone else a little disappointed with the way things are turning out? We were pretty much told that Garrosh is the only idiot screwing up and he's going to pay for all his shit. It doesn't seem fair that Jaina hates everyone in the horde for the actions of that meathead douchebag that has been a screw up from the beginning.

    The Jaina that I've "grown up" with since the good ol' days of WCIII was a peace loving woman. Some people may have found her too peaceful and boring. Some would complain that all she did was sit in her little tower and do nothing despite being one of the most powerful mortal mages on Azeroth. I understand her completely though. I would be pissed I guess. Even so, I think it's just not her character to be so anti-horde.

    What does everyone else think about it? Good? Bad?

    Link for those that haven't seen.
    I'm just thinking back to World War 2 and the Nazi's and how they were dealt with afterwards. Ultimately, it's not just Garrosh going around killing her friends, her family, bringing open war and destroying the very peace she loves. It's Garrosh + his army + his soldiers + those who play the scenario.

    So yes ultimately if I was her, I'd be pissed too.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Well I belive Varian's son will replace Jaina as the peaceful idealist
    I forgot about Anduin. Its funny though I didnt really like the idea of being able to attack Jaina since she is one of the few neutral personalities.
    Last edited by Dark Exerus; 2012-06-01 at 07:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    Gotta say, these two Know Your Lore -bits are really well written and give a clear view from both sides of the Southern Barrens conflict.

    - The Horde side
    - The Alliance side

    The only weird part was the writer's question of why Jaina didn't go to Baine to ask for permission for her forces to pass through and stuff. That's such a silly thing to ponder, as the Alliance reinforcements/supplies were going to aid the troops in Stonetalon/Ashenvale, therefore directly resulting in greater Horde casualties. Why does the writer think Baine would agree to something like that?
    that was an awsome read
    I really loved how the Southern Barrens questing turned out
    Showing two sides of the same exact events, with both side shaving their share of rights and wrongs

    Though it almost seems like the author is making it seem the Alliance were building a road for the benfit of trade or something.
    The road was to further Alliance war aims, and expecting the Tauren to stand by and do nothing is kinda silly
    Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-06-01 at 07:16 PM.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskmourne View Post
    I'm okay with her becoming hardened by this, but this shift is too far out of character. She's become a racist. It doesn't sound like a logical progression for Jaina.
    How is hating the people that butchered the civilians of Theramore being a racist? Doesn't seem like anyone on the alliance is allowed to get angry at atrocities.

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    Well i understand why she is pissed.

    She sacrificed her own FATHER to save the horde only to see how the horde is now destroying her home...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Every Pwny View Post
    How is hating the people that butchered the civilians of Theramore being a racist? Doesn't seem like anyone on the alliance is allowed to get angry at atrocities.
    I think people just dont want Jaina to be consumed by her rage, until she lives and dies to satisfy her rage and revenge

    ---------- Post added 2012-06-01 at 07:18 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Well i understand why she is pissed.

    She sacrificed her own FATHER to save the horde only to see how the horde is now destroying her home...
    She sacrificed her own father to save her home, not the Horde's
    Siding with the Horde spared the people of Thermore from an angry Horde ravaging its streets in revenge

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