View Poll Results: Is Jaina's new character something you're looking forward to?

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  • Yes, she needs to put the war in Warcraft

    673 63.67%
  • No, she should stay 'neutral' as she has always been

    76 7.19%
  • She should take action, but not to the extent to hate the horde.

    308 29.14%
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    Quote Originally Posted by checking facts View Post
    one points to be considered: the promised land was netherstorm, yet 2 of the three bombs kael's BEs made were created in terokkar (kind of far away from netherstorm). the transportation of arcane energy doesn't appear to be easy, else kael would have sent arcane energy to silvermoon before he went crazy and betrayed his people lol

    blood elves are crazy lol
    well wasent there rampant arcane energy just about everywhere in Outland
    Just have to go to the edge of the land, and stick your hand out

    It was just Netherstorm had a bit too much energy roaming about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Not only that, but the highborne of Eldre Thalas bathed in fel power for 10.000 years,to maintain their immortality and were accepted back, while most blood elves sucked on mana bearing vermin and are treated like the plague, talk about real double standards.

    But thats just how the things go, I wonder if Jaina figures out that the sin'dorei helped leveling Theramore.
    They weren't accepted back blindly, they were accepted under duress at the start of Cata. And they've been under strict orders from Mal and Tyrande not to commit dramatic acts, read Wolfheart there's alot in there about it (notice the trend when explaining Alliance lore or reasoning involves reading books...yeah I didn't either )

    Whereas the blood Elves are now associating with their enemies and have taken part in more than a few battles against the Night Elves and their allies. It's not about double standards, it's about timing. If the Belves weren't part of the Horde at the start of Cata it's quite possible they would've been reaccepted back into Night Elf society.

    But then again, would they have wanted to be? Blood Elves and High elves are basically Elven nobility and they saw their society being taken over by the lower class. Note the wording in Aftermath.

    And on another note, Belfs weren't just sucking on vermin. They sucked on anything that had mana. They even went as far as to suck magic out of a being of pure light. I think that would have more bearing on the outrage against them, regardless of it being part of some grand design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by checking facts View Post
    one points to be considered: the promised land was netherstorm, yet 2 of the three bombs kael's BEs made were created in terokkar (kind of far away from netherstorm). the transportation of arcane energy doesn't appear to be easy, else kael would have sent arcane energy to silvermoon before he went crazy and betrayed his people lol

    blood elves are crazy lol
    They were storing the energy for use elsewhere (those purple square containers you saw everywhere Belfs were). Just take it to where it's convenient and use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    They weren't accepted back blindly, they were accepted under duress at the start of Cata. And they've been under strict orders from Mal and Tyrande not to commit dramatic acts, read Wolfheart there's alot in there about it (notice the trend when explaining Alliance lore or reasoning involves reading books...yeah I didn't either )

    Whereas the blood Elves are now associating with their enemies and have taken part in more than a few battles against the Night Elves and their allies. It's not about double standards, it's about timing. If the Belves weren't part of the Horde at the start of Cata it's quite possible they would've been reaccepted back into Night Elf society.

    But then again, would they have wanted to be? Blood Elves and High elves are basically Elven nobility and they saw their society being taken over by the lower class. Note the wording in Aftermath.

    And on another note, Belfs weren't just sucking on vermin. They sucked on anything that had mana. They even went as far as to suck magic out of a being of pure light. I think that would have more bearing on the outrage against them, regardless of it being part of some grand design.[COLOR="red"]
    The blood elves were actually rather pissed the other Highborne were allowed back, while their ancestors had been exiled. Even though the highborne are bound to some rules now does not change the fact, the Night elves accepted them back, even though they are more tainted than the blood elves, they are Shend'ralar after all, who drained demonic power and sacrificed their own in order to stay immortal.

    Actually the night elves are arguably the ones, who screwed up, they were the ones assaulting a neutral Quel'thalas, more or less pushing them into the horde.

    Yeah well you don't always want to drink muddy water right, blood elves drinking high qulity stuff makes sense, even though M'uru wasn't wasted this way, he became a weapon to be used agianst their enemies.
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    The question is how come the Horde have so many superweapons from their spoils of Northrend and Outlands while the Alliance have none?
    Or did Blizzard haven't showed the Alliance ones yet?
    Or is it that the Alliance doesn't play that dirty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mails-Prowers View Post
    The question is how come the Horde have so many superweapons from their spoils of Northrend and Outlands while the Alliance have none?
    Or did Blizzard haven't showed the Alliance ones yet?
    Or is it that the Alliance doesn't play that dirty?
    that is also something i thought about, like the manabombs or the magnatuar in wolfheart, or the undead plague and the rising people. but i think the alliance also have to have some, but could be they just did not want to use those kind of weapons, but lore wise, the alliance do also have "stronger" key people like malfurion and Jaina. but also gnomes have made a nuclear bomb, but i guess they are afriad of useing it since see what happend in gnomergarn
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    One thing that saddens me the most, is not the actual destruction, but that Garrosh is just the lighting rod. Kill him and forget everything else Horde has done against the Alliance. Back to Thrall being leader of the Horde, while they still control territories they conquered during Garrosh.

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    Another question is what transpired in order for Varian to let the Horde alone instead of crushing them completely in Orgrimmar because let's face it. The Horde will be split in two and will be shattered and the Alliance will be there in full force. There's nothing preventing the Alliance to crush what's left from the Horde after he finishes with Garrosh. I really wonder what will change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mails-Prowers View Post
    Another question is what transpired in order for Varian to let the Horde alone instead of crushing them completely in Orgrimmar because let's face it. The Horde will be split in two and will be shattered and the Alliance will be there in full force. There's nothing preventing the Alliance to crush what's left from the Horde after he finishes with Garrosh. I really wonder what will change?
    I am not sure Varian would view full out genocide as a great idea, despite being a 24/7 angry hothead. Looks like he more of a lending a hand to help stop "good" Horde deal with their out-of-control leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarumuat View Post
    I am not sure Varian would view full out genocide as a great idea, despite being a 24/7 angry hothead. Looks like he more of a lending a hand to help stop "good" Horde deal with their out-of-control leader.
    Varian is moving away from the 24/7 angry hothead persona, he balanced himself in Wolfheart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mails-Prowers View Post
    Another question is what transpired in order for Varian to let the Horde alone instead of crushing them completely in Orgrimmar because let's face it. The Horde will be split in two and will be shattered and the Alliance will be there in full force. There's nothing preventing the Alliance to crush what's left from the Horde after he finishes with Garrosh. I really wonder what will change?
    Even with garrosh gone the Alliance couldn't simply crush what remains of the Horde, Orgrimmar was one capital, three others remain, which would prepare themselves for the invasion, the cost of lives would be astronomical, the moment the war started both sides were unable, to actually win it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarumuat View Post
    One thing that saddens me the most, is not the actual destruction, but that Garrosh is just the lighting rod. Kill him and forget everything else Horde has done against the Alliance. Back to Thrall being leader of the Horde, while they still control territories they conquered during Garrosh.
    Who says the Horde will keep all of the territories they conquered? Most of Ashenvale will most likely be returned, same goes for Gilneas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Varian is moving away from the 24/7 angry hothead persona, he balanced himself in Wolfheart.
    Forgot that. Oh, we also getting "Trials of High King" don't we?


    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Who says the Horde will keep all of the territories they conquered? Most of Ashenvale will most likely be returned, same goes for Gilneas.
    Well, I do hope Alliance will get some territories back, as an act of good will (at least lore-wise, game mechanics may never show it). What I meant mostly, was that Horde will go off easy, putting everything on Garrosh. Some sort of inner conflict would be great for Horde, with Vol'Jin and similar sort of saying "Told ya, he was no good" to some orcs etc. Just something along these lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarumuat View Post
    Forgot that. Oh, we also getting "Trials of High King" don't we?




    Well, I do hope Alliance will get some territories back, as an act of good will (at least lore-wise, game mechanics may never show it). What I meant mostly, was that Horde will go off easy, putting everything on Garrosh. Some sort of inner conflict would be great for Horde, with Vol'Jin and similar sort of saying "Told ya, he was no good" to some orcs etc. Just something along these lines.
    We don't know yet, but I am quite certain the orcs won't like it, since they were staunch supporters of Garrosh, while the Trolls, Tauren and Blood elves will most likely be glad the war is over and they don't have to waste their resources and people anymore. Goblins hard to tell they are most likely sad because they don't make as much profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    We don't know yet, but I am quite certain the orcs won't like it, since they were staunch supporters of Garrosh, while the Trolls, Tauren and Blood elves will most likely be glad the war is over and they don't have to waste their resources and people anymore. Goblins hard to tell they are most likely sad because they don't make as much profit.
    Orcs certainly will not be pleased. There are also different groups of them. In Ragefire Chasm, don't we get some update lore-wise? I was reading about Neru Fireblade and Burning Blade clan not long ago, and was thinking when will the demon-influenced part of the Horde will let itself be know.

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    Actually I made a mistake in stating the question.
    What I meant to say is that the Horde will probably be shattered between those who support Garrosh and those who do not support Garrosh. It will be a war between them and the Alliance is coming in full force to get rid of Garrosh.

    The question is what really transpires for Varian to let them live instead finishing them now that they are shattered?

    Is he so sure that the Horde wont betray them again in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mails-Prowers View Post
    Actually I made a mistake in stating the question.
    What I meant to say is that the Horde will probably be shattered between those who support Garrosh and those who do not support Garrosh. It will be a war between them and the Alliance is coming in full force to get rid of Garrosh.

    The question is what really transpires for Varian to let them live instead finishing them now that they are shattered?

    Is he so sure that the Horde wont betray them again in the future?
    I think it will just be overlooked and not deal with in detail by writers. Although, it will certainly be interesting to look at. I remember some have said to execute the captured orcs after the Second War, but King Terenas was against it. Maybe Varian inside of him understands that Horde is just another side of the coin to the Alliance. Varian has all rights to hate the orcs, but he must still remain reasonable. Deep hatred always hit back in WoW Lore (Daelin Proudmore, now Garrosh etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarumuat View Post
    I think it will just be overlooked and not deal with in detail by writers. Although, it will certainly be interesting to look at. I remember some have said to execute the captured orcs after the Second War, but King Terenas was against it. Maybe Varian inside of him understands that Horde is just another side of the coin to the Alliance. Varian has all rights to hate the orcs, but he must still remain reasonable. Deep hatred always hit back in WoW Lore (Daelin Proudmore, now Garrosh etc)
    Varian was actually pro-interment camp.
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    The feeling I get is that most of the Horde will turn on Garrosh. He'll probably have relatively fewer forces, but have them empowered in some way via his under org experiments or whatever's going on.

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    Something most people seem to be forgetting in relevance to Jaina's remarks, is that Blizzard already told us Garrosh introduced Fel Orcs into the Horde, which is pretty much paramount to breaking a Geneva Convention. When she calls the attackers monsters and abominations, maybe she's actually being literal? It would certainly explain that "Horde Shaman's" voice in the other set of voice files for the Theramore invasion, which is all-together unnatural. Then there's the Goblins, but we've known for years that they're a race who'll work for either A: The winning side, or B: The side who pays the most, but only if it's up front, so they can run off later. As for the Blood Elf Spy, well Blood Elves are already arcane infused and have a history of mana addiction, so they probably have fairly loose morals when it comes to working with Fel Orcs. Many Blood Elves in the Horde were surely former subjects of Kael'thas back in Outland, so they'd probably even welcome it.

    Maybe the Theramore invasion was Garrosh's way of cutting his Fel Orc force's teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythax View Post
    is that Blizzard already told us Garrosh introduced Fel Orcs into the Horde
    Source? It's the first time I heard such thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Source? It's the first time I heard such thing.
    I'm remiss for it, but I can't remember EXACTLY where I heard it from. I have a feeling it was in one of those initial press release podcast recordings made when the NDA was lifted on MoP (one of the multi-hour-long ones unfortunately). But if you do some searching you'll see that there've been seeds planted for this idea from the very beginning of Cata until MoP. Supposedly, if you go to blasted lands, there are horde-friendly Fel Orcs outside the portal from the Shattered Hand clan, which were only ever added into the game on Cata's release patch.
    Also, in MoP beta, Ragefire Chasm is filled with Fel Orcs and Fel Shaman. Perhaps Garrosh is harbouring them there in secret to avoid attention from Alliance spies.


    I know its vapour-thin evidence (and it pisses me off I can't remember the real source) but I'm CERTAIN I've heard about it. I'm dead certain I've heard about Garrosh using Fel Shaman.

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