View Poll Results: Is Jaina's new character something you're looking forward to?

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  • Yes, she needs to put the war in Warcraft

    673 63.67%
  • No, she should stay 'neutral' as she has always been

    76 7.19%
  • She should take action, but not to the extent to hate the horde.

    308 29.14%
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  1. #1081
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Even with garrosh gone the Alliance couldn't simply crush what remains of the Horde, Orgrimmar was one capital, three others remain, which would prepare themselves for the invasion, the cost of lives would be astronomical, the moment the war started both sides were unable, to actually win it.



    Who says the Horde will keep all of the territories they conquered? Most of Ashenvale will most likely be returned, same goes for Gilneas.
    Not really consider the scenario where the Alliance says "Fuck off" if the scenario involves the "good" horde asking for help against Garrosh. The fact that they need help clearly indicates that they're spread thin. So Alliance waits until the Siege begins and then launches it's own offensive. The siegers can't leave because if they do Garrosh'll likely charge out to attack, and they can't get reinforcements because their main cities are under attack.

    Of course this assumes that the Horde ask the Alliance for help as opposed to the Alliance showing up to rumble and then deciding it's better to play nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Not really consider the scenario where the Alliance says "Fuck off" if the scenario involves the "good" horde asking for help against Garrosh. The fact that they need help clearly indicates that they're spread thin. So Alliance waits until the Siege begins and then launches it's own offensive. The siegers can't leave because if they do Garrosh'll likely charge out to attack, and they can't get reinforcements because their main cities are under attack.

    Of course this assumes that the Horde ask the Alliance for help as opposed to the Alliance showing up to rumble and then deciding it's better to play nice.
    It doesn't change the fact that even if they beat the forces at Orgrimmar, they will have to subdue Thunderbluff, Undercity, the Echo Isles and Silvermoon later on, do you believe they could pull all that of? The losses would be far too great, neither side was able to win this war the moment it started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythax View Post
    I'm remiss for it, but I can't remember EXACTLY where I heard it from. I have a feeling it was in one of those initial press release podcast recordings made when the NDA was lifted on MoP (one of the multi-hour-long ones unfortunately). But if you do some searching you'll see that there've been seeds planted for this idea from the very beginning of Cata until MoP. Supposedly, if you go to blasted lands, there are horde-friendly Fel Orcs outside the portal from the Shattered Hand clan, which were only ever added into the game on Cata's release patch.
    Also, in MoP beta, Ragefire Chasm is filled with Fel Orcs and Fel Shaman. Perhaps Garrosh is harbouring them there in secret to avoid attention from Alliance spies.


    I know its vapour-thin evidence (and it pisses me off I can't remember the real source) but I'm CERTAIN I've heard about it. I'm dead certain I've heard about Garrosh using Fel Shaman.
    Given garrosh's reaction ingame to fel I highly doubt it. he nearly kills the player the moment he finds out you helped building a fel empowered catapult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Given garrosh's reaction ingame to fel I highly doubt it. he nearly kills the player the moment he finds out you helped building a fel empowered catapult.
    Yep, that's why I asked for the source, since it contradicts everything that Garrosh stands against. Garrosh hates demons and everything tied to them, it's actually one of the few things that makes sense on Garrosh's character.

  4. #1084
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Yep, that's why I asked for the source, since it contradicts everything that Garrosh stands against. Garrosh hates demons and everything tied to them, it's actually one of the few things that makes sense on Garrosh's character.
    yes, but I wouldn't put it past blizzard to destroy his last bit of sense in order to make him a villain. why would ragefire chasm get a fel orc revamp without getting a heroic version at the same time garrosh was said to be doing "terrible, terrible things under orgrimmar"?

    perhaps blizz wants him to become "fel grom 2.0" for the last battle. garrosh right now is just a very strong orc warrior, but "fel grom 1.0" was the guy who killed the demigod cenarius. he could be a worthy last boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It doesn't change the fact that even if they beat the forces at Orgrimmar, they will have to subdue Thunderbluff, Undercity, the Echo Isles and Silvermoon later on, do you believe they could pull all that of?
    The horde is nothing without the forsaken & their threat of plague bombing. Mearly a collection of broken peoples & nomatic tribes that could be wiped clean if the Alliance as a whole wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by checking facts View Post
    yes, but I wouldn't put it past blizzard to destroy his last bit of sense in order to make him a villain. why would ragefire chasm get a fel orc revamp without getting a heroic version at the same time garrosh was said to be doing "terrible, terrible things under orgrimmar"?

    perhaps blizz wants him to become "fel grom 2.0" for the last battle. garrosh right now is just a very strong orc warrior, but "fel grom 1.0" was the guy who killed the demigod cenarius. he could be a worthy last boss.
    I said this before, we don't know yet what is happening in Ragefire Chasm and how is connected to Garrosh. In Cata beta, the Horde Airship in Gilneas also had a Fel Orc model on it, until they changed it to a Green model of Fel Orc.

    As we stand, Garrosh abhors all fel-related things.

  7. #1087
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    I said this before, we don't know yet what is happening in Ragefire Chasm and how is connected to Garrosh. In Cata beta, the Horde Airship in Gilneas also had a Fel Orc model on it, until they changed it to a Green model of Fel Orc.

    As we stand, Garrosh abhors all fel-related things.
    that was because back than the only "dire orc" texture was bloodboil's. however normal orcs exist already, why would they use fel orcs as placeholders? unless they're planning on creating a new type of corrupted orc.

    if they're doing so, I hope it's yellow orcs. I hate yellow and I hate orcs, so it'll be nice to see them together

    but please, anything but purple orcs cause purple is my favorite color
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrenheit View Post
    The horde is nothing without the forsaken & their threat of plague bombing. Mearly a collection of broken peoples & nomatic tribes that could be wiped clean if the Alliance as a whole wanted to.
    I doubt it Undercity would still be Intact they would have to deal with the plague, Silvermoon has manabombs and with the Sunwell restored, they might be able to shield the city, like they did during the second war not even dragons were able penetrate it, the trolls would fight for every last rock on their isles, Thunderbluff is difficult to invade and the tauren will fight with everything they have. Sure the Alliance would win, but they would be unable to wipe the other races out and their military power would be crippled for years to come. The troll wars should attest that defeating an enemy doesn't neccesarily mean they won't be back stronger than ever.

    It is the same reason the horde will never be able to beat the Alliance entirely for some time maybe, but never entirely.
    Last edited by Combatbulter; 2012-06-07 at 01:59 PM. Reason: typo XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Silvermoon has manbombs and with the Sunwell restored, they might be able to shield the city, like they did during the second war not even dragons were able penetrate it
    sorry, I know it's just a minor typo but I couldn't help it but to ROFL while I imagined the BEs releasing a bomb that explodes and releases a multitude of naked men at their foes lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by checking facts View Post
    sorry, I know it's just a minor typo but I couldn't help it but to ROFL while I imagined the BEs releasing a bomb that explodes and releases a multitude of naked men at their foes lol
    If there were one race in WoW to do such a thing it would be the BEs. Shit, they'd drop that bomb on themselves and have a party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by checking facts View Post
    sorry, I know it's just a minor typo but I couldn't help it but to ROFL while I imagined the BEs releasing a bomb that explodes and releases a multitude of naked men at their foes lol
    It reminds of the orc catapult in the first warhammer trailer XD

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JglnSrfJtyQ
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  12. #1092
    Thrall never called her back, then he hooked up with Aggra.

    She's gonna get revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magjee View Post
    Thrall never called her back, then he hooked up with Aggra.

    She's gonna get revenge.
    So basicially

    Hell has no fury like a woman scorned. Right?
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  14. #1094
    I think she has every right to be angry she helped this horde kill her father in the name of peace, she teleported Alliance forces out of Undercity in the name of peace, and now Garrosh McAngryface gets promoted and in the name of "honor of the horde!" goes and burns Theramore a city filled with human who fought alongside thralls forces in the battle of Hyjal.

    Seriously how long can you remain peaceful in hopes of giving your people a better future when your people are being butchered in some false sense of honor?

    She has every right to hate the horde until the horde shows her reasons to trust it again.
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  15. #1095
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    So basicially

    Hell has no fury like a woman scorned. Right?

    Really wondering if I can reports posts like Mags as trolling. I mean, if I get reported for being sarcastic I don't see why not.

    Either way, I'm wondering how they're going to write up the orcish split since all through Cata we get the feeling that the overwhelming orcish opinion is behind Garrosh with only a few holdouts. So what will Garrosh do to make orcs change their mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Really wondering if I can reports posts like Mags as trolling. I mean, if I get reported for being sarcastic I don't see why not.

    Either way, I'm wondering how they're going to write up the orcish split since all through Cata we get the feeling that the overwhelming orcish opinion is behind Garrosh with only a few holdouts. So what will Garrosh do to make orcs change their mind.
    You could, but if you try hard enough you could take almost any post apart if you try, but most of the time i consider it a waste of time unless it is really bad trolling.

    It will most likely be related to his experiments, some young orcs might catch wind of it, it would start out as a rumour, which garrosh would try to quench through force, slowy loosing sympathy among his poeple until enough of them are ready to revolt. While the most loyal ones, probably many Northrend veterans will dismiss it seeing it as neccessary, thus creating a rift in orcish society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Really wondering if I can reports posts like Mags as trolling. I mean, if I get reported for being sarcastic I don't see why not.

    Either way, I'm wondering how they're going to write up the orcish split since all through Cata we get the feeling that the overwhelming orcish opinion is behind Garrosh with only a few holdouts. So what will Garrosh do to make orcs change their mind.
    Meh trolling has such an incredibly broad definition, basically anything in any tone can be considered trolling by someone somewhere
    Garrosh does maintain popularity among the orcs because of his agressive stance, yet maintains his almost fanatical sense of honor

    For the Horde to risk thousands of lives, and the very existance of the Horde itself, they are gonna need a pretty good god dam reason to start a massive civil war
    Really hope Blizzard gives a good and convincing reason, mostly cause I like Garrosh an am sad to see him take a dark path =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Really hope Blizzard gives a good and convincing reason, mostly cause I like Garrosh an am sad to see him take a dark path =(
    Garrosh had potential, but it became obvious they would kill him off, his fanbase did not grew as much as they expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Garrosh had potential, but it became obvious they would kill him off, his fanbase did not grew as much as they expected.
    Fanbases shouldn't be held on a character whos purpose is to cause war and strife, and then have them cry about it when we have to end him. You picked a bad one, thats why your pie tastes so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Fanbases shouldn't be held on a character whos purpose is to cause war and strife, and then have them cry about it when we have to end him. You picked a bad one, thats why your pie tastes so bad.
    My favorite character is still alive, since they won't touch him, which I am grateful for considering their certain lore developments though there are already hints, the he might be replaced with Halduron.

    What can I say I like characters, who are willing to sacrifice their own morals for their people.
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