Yes, she needs to put the war in Warcraft
No, she should stay 'neutral' as she has always been
She should take action, but not to the extent to hate the horde.
It's that simple, whether you think it's fair or not. I can definitely see where Varian's coming from, personally. He has a very legitimate gripe with the Horde, and was fairly justified in making the unofficial official. But make no mistake: kicking it into full throttle was on his head, right until he retracted it and signed a truce with Thrall.
On another note, what John Doe the Forsaken says and does is not equal in weight and consequence to what Varian Wrynn the military leader of the Alliance says and does.
And the Cold war was a "cold war" because the Commies and the US fought by proxy - they never engaged each other directly. Horde and Alliance on the other hand do fight each other directly - thus it is a real war, not a cold one.
That is something i really hope for ingame, that he will do something, or atleast in a book
(i am 20 and dyslexic so yes i suck at spelling)
As a sidenote: part of the reason why this discussion is rather interesting to me is a talk by a guy fom the Heritage Foundation about a year ago. He claimed that the goal of liberalism was the abolishment of discrimination and the means by which they try to achive this is the abandonment of standards: Teach children that everything is grey, that there is no black or white, that there are never clear values by which you can judge things and a better world will follow: because due to the lack of standards no one can be judged by them and thus be discriminated against. And to him - that teaching is whats going on in schools throughout western europe and the liberal parts of the US. At that time I thought he was a loony.
But: the discussion we are having right now seems to be one that could only be possible if he was right. My point of view is that there are clear standards by which the existance of a state of war can be gauged: You have an army in my territory that was not invited - we are at war. You kill my people - we are at war. etc.
The counterargument seems to be: war is never as black and white as that - wholesome slaughter is nothing official, you need a piece of paper or something. (Because the pen is mightier than the sword!)
But i think all people need to remember, She just want to study ^^
(i am 20 and dyslexic so yes i suck at spelling)
Conflict happens before UC.
Varian probably did not make his little speech before the Forsaken attacked the Thrid Fleet for example.
There has been conflict between the Horde and Alliance in every XPac without a formal state of war being in place.
It is YOUR interpretation that this not the case after BfUC. That Varians attack automatically escalated the situation into a full, formal state of war. Neither GH nor ICC refer to this state...GH, for example simpy, refers to the usual "we need resources" excuse that is used elsewhere. An excuse that would actually be unneeded if a state of war existed.
Last edited by Talen; 2012-06-10 at 07:31 PM.
I hope she goes John J. Keeshan on all da orcs!!! all the orcs?....yes...ALL THE ORCS!!!
In the expansion World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, the destruction of other lands allowed fresh water to flow into Desolace, turning parts of it into lush prairie. However it maintains a reputation for being a wasteland of bones and ashes thanks to the constant battling of the four centuar tribes, and more worryingly the demon-infested Mannoroc Coven to the south.
There you have it
Druids are powerful, but they cannot magically turn a Breen desert into a lush jungle
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But i never said or tried to prove that hes innocent or perfect
Merely saying that he has reasons for war beyond "hes just a jerk that loves killinjg for the sake of killing"
Durotar is a liveable place
It only become very very difficult with the Elemental Unrest
Do you really think its easy, even with magic, to turn a desert into a lush woodland or jungle?
Nowehere has that even been achieved
and why are you blaming Garrosh for that?
Blame Thrall. Garrosh was made Warchief when they were already in a supply crisis
Garrosh is far from perfect. and Yes he preffered war. and prbably would not "try very hard" through diplomacy or negotiations.
But its not like "omgz Orcs so stupid for living in Durotar"
Thrall chose Durotar to avoid conflict,
and some reasons of how orcs should pay for their sins, which I dont agree with , but thats another discussiuoin
Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-06-10 at 08:39 PM.
Yes! Let her come out on to the battlefield, then we won't have to look for the hole she hides in!
Don't you worry Krolikn. You will now taste the true meaning of fear and the consequences of irritating the most powerful mage in Azeroth.
Jaina grew up in times of peace when the orcs were all in camps. Of course she was young, naive, and nice.
Now that orcs are free again, running around causing problems, constant war, etc. Of course you get bitter after dealing with war and conflict for the past 10 years. Especially if theramore gets destroyed.
I like ponies and I really don't care what you have to say about that.