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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Daverid View Post
    More OT however I personally feel a similar way. The Story (Alot More-so after Act 1) was uneventful, disappointing and cliche/predictable. Only VO's I enjoyed was Leah and Deckard. Dungeon Crawling became hopelessly boring and I'm not a Stat/Gear Obsessed person in any game so that whole aspect was completely lame (In alot of SP RPG's I'll actually take gear that LOOKS better visually then better stats). I play my games in Easy/Normal and have no desire to move into more difficult modes, More interested in the story then the challenge.

    So basically in my opinion I generally agree with the OP... Extremely Hyped, mixed feelings initially, then you realise it's complete rubbish. True for Phantom Menace and true for D3 (IMO OFC). However I only did 1 playthrough, maybe 10-12 hours of gameplay instead of getting to 100 and then realising it was crap :S Got for free with AP so whatever >.>
    I personally thought act III was the best of them all, and at least on normal, Belial was the toughest main boss fight. I've finished the game on normal, currently near the end of act II in nightmare. The game is entertaining, but not compelling the way some other games are. You don't ever feel 'sucked in' to what's going on, but it is a great game to simply hop on, blast things for 30 minutes or so with friends, then go do something else, much like an arcade game. But there are a lot of games like this.

    I don't see me sticking with it in any long term fashion. I will get my monk to 60, but have no inclination to level anything else. Nor will I be doing the whole end-game gear grind... any game that makes a player rely on an AH system to progress is a broken one, plain and simple. I don't need to see act IV in inferno, I already know exactly what happens

    Overall score = 7/10. Solid, but not a 'omg, I must own this' title. And FAR better than the Phantom Menace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishyface View Post
    Loved the phantom menace (as well as episode 1-3 far more than 4-6), and i love d3. Dont really care what the "hardcore fans" think the game is fun to alot of people. Im sorry that "their" game got pissed on but its not anyone else but these people's fault for putting so much hype on it.
    Actually, all of the "hardcore fans" I know love it

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  3. #303
    The reason Act III is the best is not only the constant waves of baddies but the fact that you have objectives besides 'Run through the dungeon' and 'Kill a boss'. Its a shame they didn't have more stuff like that to do to break the mold of d2.

    Personally I don't get the Phantom Menace reference, D3 didn't become bad because the director wanted to sell childrens toys, throw in needless amounts of background eye candy to make toys from, or write the whole plot with an 8 year old in mind. d3 director also didn't divorce his wife who was the only person keeping episode 4,5 & partially 6 from getting stupid. If George Lucas's wife had not fixed his scripts then Han Solo would of been a lizard man (fact) and if you think kissing her brother was gross wait til she locks lips with the creature from the black lagoon.

    There were a lot more problems with phantom menace from an ending which flashed between annakin in space, darth maul battle and queen amadalia taking her throne that had entirely different over riding 'atmospheres of human feeling' so much that they didnt make any sense and could not be seperated after the fact, or trying to kill jedi with a white gas when carbon can't be smelled or seen. Why not just tell the Jedi the negotiations are over and to get off my ship? Bad child actors? How many times in the movie do we have to see 'Theres always a bigger fish' theme play out? Jar-Jar Binks was created just to add comedy for kids, and C3P0 should never of been played as a wise cracking comedy twist.

    My point being that phantom menace had 99 problems and Diablo 3 had 1 large problem and 2 minor ones. To make a comparison between the two is overreaching and obviously shows a lack of comparitive comprehension for anyone agreeing that they are the same.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    I always think criticisms like this are unfair. Eg, let's take the OPs criticism of Star Wars 1.

    The first 3 films (Episodes 4,5,6) are almost EXACTLY the same style wise. They are written in the form of a 1950s B-Movie matinee with cheesy dialogue, basic plotlines and whatnot. The two films directed by George were absolute toss, and its only when Irwin Winkler helmed the second as a favour that they achieved some form of critical success. They still, however, had a bland, insipid script, one-dimensional characters, moments of danger/love etc, everything you would expect from a 1950s Flash Gordon era style matinee film. The same was with the Indiana Jones films, however, because people are so in love with both series due to them being intrinsically linked to childhood, they have become sacred cows, and are untouchable. However, seriously watch them again, and analyse the script, usage of screen wipes to cut from scene to scene, and you will actually see how terribad the first and second film actually are (ignore Empire, its actually good, but different director). However, they were right place, right time, never been seen before films that captured the imagination. But critically? They were shit.
    Then people expected something different from the newer releases? They were basically a carbon copy formula. If you watch them in the SAME manner of expectation of the first 3, that of a Sunday Morning B-Movie matinee type film, they are actually very enjoyable. However, it was purely fanbase expectation that made them seem less than they were.

    Now lets take the Diablo games. First one and second one were arguably "right place right time" games. If you play them now (especially the first one), and actually analyse them with the same critical eye of games we play now, they are actually pretty weak. Poor UIs, bad sound, poor gfx and whatnot. However, people garner a huge amount of enjoyment from them, so they remain oblivious (myself included) to their faults, and woe betide you if you attempt to criticise them, as like the Star Wars films, they are sacred cows and can do no wrong.
    Then Diablo 3 comes out, does EXACTLY what its predecessors did game wise, and people are shocked? Its the same with the Star Wars films, but the issue isn't with the film/game itself (errors and silly online thing aside) but the playerbase expecting something vastly different as they had expecations of the same fulfillment they got with the second and first game.

    TLDR version - Its player fault for expecting something different from a genre that isn't intended to be different.
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  5. #305
    Is there any point to bitching about a game that you are no longer playing?

    Are peoples lives so devoid of any sense of accomplishment that the only satisfaction they get is from saying "I told you so!" to random strangers on the internet?

    Are there literally no other games they enjoy so they are "stuck" playing this one?
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  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Grraarrgghh View Post
    Is there any point to bitching about a game that you are no longer playing?

    Are peoples lives so devoid of any sense of accomplishment that the only satisfaction they get is from saying "I told you so!" to random strangers on the internet?

    Are there literally no other games they enjoy so they are "stuck" playing this one?
    Some people are just bored at work or school and spend their time here complaining because its better than going to find work that needs to be done. The more you do the more they make you do. If they were at home they would be gaming and not here. I had one guy who was constantly posting Diablo 3 hatred admit to this much.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Some people are just bored at work or school and spend their time here complaining because its better than going to find work that needs to be done. The more you do the more they make you do. If they were at home they would be gaming and not here. I had one guy who was constantly posting Diablo 3 hatred admit to this much.
    This is the most honest answer I've seen yet, and lends fully to my suggestion that we have one big awful thread for bitching, so we can leave the rest of the forum open to tutorials, help threads, strats, build speculation, etc. etc.
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  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakhar View Post
    Look on the bright side, at least it wasn't The Old Rep- I mean, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

    Nostalgia's a bitch, eh? It's pretty clear that there's only a small minority that agrees with you, who also tend to be the ones that bitch the loudest. Hell, I've never seen my friends list this packed 24/7. I log on WoW and get shit for not spending every waking hour on Diablo with them. That includes a few people I didn't even know played video games, and probably haven't since playing D1/2, but are loving this game. Go play some other shit game and stop whining, and pretend Diablo 3 doesn't exist like I do with that pathetic excuse for an Indiana Jones movie.
    That's the point, it's not nostalgia. The original three Indiana Jones movies are just way, way better than Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. It's not nostalgia that makes people think so, it's just the fact the other movies were better to most people.

    Clearly movie preference is subjective, but I'm talking about general consensus opinion.

    The only thing more annoying than nostalgia fanboys are buffons who think praise of anything past a year or two ago is nostalgia. Here is a shocking revelation, did you ever consider that maybe the current version of everthing ISN"T best? In fact considering how much content there was in the past, odds are the best stuff is going to be from back in the day.

    But continue to watch Transformers 3 (the best movie ever, anyone who disagrees is just being nostalgic) listen to Katy Perry, (the best music ever, anyone who disagrees is just being nostalgic), watch the Big Bang Theory (the best tv show ever, anyone who disagrees is just being nostalic).

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    I liked the Phantom Menace better then the other 2 because Hadin Christianson(sp) wasn't in them and Darth Maul was so bad ass i wish he played through the end to the third movie...but anyways i can kind see what OP is saying. I myself am kind of disappointed in how the game is end game. I dont get bored clearing through content because the content is a little different to me in each difficulty due to the difficulty. Huge fan of D1-D2:LOD and i was so excited for D3 and i love the game but ill probably stop my chars once they hit 60 and finish hell. I don't see the point in end game in D3 atm. I don't want to farm the AH i want to farm in game and get those specific items that i loved to get in the older versions. LOD comes to mind as it was my favorite. There was nothing like finding a Unique Hydra Bow because i knew that i just fond me a windforce, balls yeah!. I hate, HATE this new system of random ass crap on random as items everything is so damn random i personally dont like that so much. I don't get excited because nothing ever drops. At least in Normal/Nightmare they have specific things that dropped i actually saw uniques and sets, granted they suck but i still got to see them i was working toward something that seemed reasonable. I've found 1 horrendous legendary so far over 2 chars, its not doing much for me...

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragore View Post
    I hate, HATE this new system of random ass crap on random as items everything is so damn random i personally dont like that so much. I don't get excited because nothing ever drops. At least in Normal/Nightmare they have specific things that dropped i actually saw uniques and sets, granted they suck but i still got to see them i was working toward something that seemed reasonable. I've found 1 horrendous legendary so far over 2 chars, its not doing much for me...
    I hate to tell you this but the random system is not new. It is what makes Diablo Diablo, and its what makes Diablo spawn dozens of rip offs. Any dungeon crawler you see today is because of Diablo. If D3 didn't have random drops then those who enjoyed D2 and D1 would explode like a million megaton nerdbomb. If you didn't know about that aspect of the game then I'm sorry but its a staple of the Genre. Frankly there wouldn't be any challenge to the game if the game gave you exactly what you need whenever you needed it. There are enough people complaining that the game is too easy as it is.

    And Bliz has said that Legendaries were not intended to be more powerful than anything else in the game. I personally would of made them awesome but as I am not awesome enough to be making video games I really can't complain.

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    And Bliz has said that Legendaries were not intended to be more powerful than anything else in the game. I personally would of made them awesome but as I am not awesome enough to be making video games I really can't complain.
    i am aware that blizzard did state that legendaries aren't meant to be more powerful than rares, but that doesn't make any sense. legendaries have a really minuscule chance of dropping compared to a rare, so what are the point of legendaries if they're not better?

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by WillFeral View Post
    World of Warcraft,Destroyer of MMO's since '04.

    Are you stupid; Diablo isn't an MMO.....

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Draust View Post
    Leah, by far. The most underdeveloped character you're supposed to care about, but the more you actually listen to what she says, you realize that she's just Jar Jar Binks.
    Leah is actually way more developed than you give her credit for. Just cuz she's the main supporting character and not someone from the previous games, doesn't mean she's 'underdeveloped' or even 'Jar Jar Binks (which is about as stupid a comparison as you could make).' Sure she says repetitive things as she accompanies you on quests, but that's pretty much every character that accompanies you on quests, including your followers.

    I hate to tell you this but the random system is not new. It is what makes Diablo Diablo, and its what makes Diablo spawn dozens of rip offs. Any dungeon crawler you see today is because of Diablo. If D3 didn't have random drops then those who enjoyed D2 and D1 would explode like a million megaton nerdbomb. If you didn't know about that aspect of the game then I'm sorry but its a staple of the Genre. Frankly there wouldn't be any challenge to the game if the game gave you exactly what you need whenever you needed it. There are enough people complaining that the game is too easy as it is.
    Actually, the loot system they used in D3 IS new in comparison to D1 & D2.

    1. Items have minimum level requirements (which is stupid) that prevent many items from being good. I've gotten just a shit ton of items that COULD be useful for my lower level characters, but they have a level requirement of level 50 or something on them, so they are just trash.

    2. Rares drop the best items now instead of bosses, so instead of farming a boss repeatedly for the items you want, you have to farm rares.
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    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakhar View Post


    Very cool story. Brah we know you hate everything about the devilspawn company known as Blizzard and you're just one of those people that lurks around here to complain at every chance you get, you're not fooling anyone. You don't comment or discuss, not even close, you just like to bitch and accuse others of being fanboys. Not giving you the satisfaction you were expecting, I take it? If it did I imagine you would have gotten a life at this point and moved on. But nope, still here I see.


    But I don't hate everything from Blizzard. I love sc2 and I can't wait for HoTS (although I will most definitely pay closer attention to it's release and not presume good product on the part of Blizzard) that's why d3 hurts so much. It's such a shit game for their normal usual quality of work.

  15. #315
    I don't really have strong feelings on this matter, but I'll put in my two cents anyway.

    I played a bit of Diablo 2 and a bit of Diablo 3. I only played normal mode on both of them (so far.) I've enjoyed both greatly. Diablo 3 certainly isn't the flop of the series in my opinion. Consider that the final state of Diablo 2 is what most people compare Diablo 3 too. Diablo 2's final state was polished and held as the king of ARPGs. Diablo 3 is missing a lot of what Diablo 2 had in the end. What is missing can be patched in and fixed. Diablo 3 entertained me much more (just in terms of normal mode.) I will continue to play both and enjoy both.

    If you picked up Diablo 3 looking to have some fun hacking and slashing at enemies it's fun. If I enjoy the game for at least 60 hours it will beat the last 50 dollar investment that lasted me that long. I foresee that it will last me even longer. If Inferno mode causes you so much rage go play another class or another game entirely. Gaming is entirely a way to spend time in a fun manner. When a game causes grief rather than fun it's time to put it down. You can come back to it later, you might be surprised with a refreshed viewpoint.

    I feel like I'm missing the point, but I'm just trying to say that I don't feel like Diablo 3 is even a flop at all. Maybe I had no expectations or information about it at all when I bought it, I didn't hype it up either. I didn't even plan on buying it until I picked up Diablo 2.

  16. #316
    i was a true D2 addict, cuz of the way MF runs were: fast and always the thrill of a nice golden item dropping. I havent felt this thrill even once in D3 sofar. The fact that rares are more interresting than legendaries, is the most disappointing for me. I can only speak for myself, but the new loot system and the AH are not fun, and i dont see myself playing this for long. After so many years of waiting for this one, i can't help but feel like saying "good effort, sport, but not quite there yet..."

    But who knows what future patches will bring... i'm not throwing it in the bin just yet, but i am shelving it for now, and gonna look for a decent way to play D2 on windows 7, even if its only for a few hours of nostalgia. "LIT LIT LIT LIT"... ahh good times, good times...

    perhaps Torchlight2 will satisfy me more. Or perhaps i've grown tired of the genre, who knows

  17. #317
    So Jay Wilson responded on /r/Diablo about the story.

    According to him MOST people actually liked the presentation of the story. I don't what the hell he's smoking to think that anyone would consider Diablo 3's plot portrayal to be anything better than a children's tv show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    So Jay Wilson responded on /r/Diablo about the story.

    According to him MOST people actually liked the presentation of the story. I don't what the hell he's smoking to think that anyone would consider Diablo 3's plot portrayal to be anything better than a children's tv show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    So Jay Wilson responded on /r/Diablo about the story.

    According to him MOST people actually liked the presentation of the story. I don't what the hell he's smoking to think that anyone would consider Diablo 3's plot portrayal to be anything better than a children's tv show.
    There are a lot of good children shows as well as there are a lot of bad adult shows. Why you even have to bring up children shows in a bad light instead of saying that you dislike the story is beyond me.

    As for the responce to the criticism of the story, I am curious as to where they mostly got their feedback from. I personally think the story gave mixed results, but it was not necessarily bad in my eyes. I suppose it's mostly new players to the franchise that liked it, since there were a lot more surprises to them than for the people who knew about previous Diablo games. I found it very clear that the game was tailored for new players in mind, which is why the plot points were a lot more "in your face" so to speak.

    I had a friend who did not really play the previous Diablo games that liked the story. I guess that is where most of the positive reactions are coming from, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    There are a lot of good children shows as well as there are a lot of bad adult shows. Why you even have to bring up children shows in a bad light instead of saying that you dislike the story is beyond me.

    As for the responce to the criticism of the story, I am curious as to where they mostly hear their feedback from. I personally think the story gave mixed results, but it was not necessarily bad in my eyes. I suppose it's mostly new players to the franchise that liked it, since there were a lot more surprises to them than for the people who knew about previous Diablo games. I found it very clear that the game was tailored for new players in mind, which is why the plot points were a lot more "in your face" so to speak.

    I had a friend who did not really play the previous Diablo games that liked the story. I guess that is where most of the positive reactions are coming from, really.
    I didn't play the other games (at least not enough to make it something to talk about), but I own the Book of Cain, and have seen a bunch of "recap" videos on the lore, and I hardly see how it isn't as well as any of the other lore.
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