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2 Karazhan - Grulls
2 TK - SSC
2 BT - Hyjal
2 Naxx - sanctom (if I remeber correctly)
So on and so forth the only raid tier that had 3 raids within the same item level was Cataclysm [four winds / blackwing / twilight]
I stopped playing WoW during the first tier of cataclysm. So NO IM NOT A LIER Im just going off some outdated but fairly accurate information.
But ill be happy to update my OP. which still even after i update holds firm.
What they basically did is launch the entire game on release, instead of only the levelling+first tier like wow does.
OT: Remember that every dungeon in the game will stay viable forever, even if the level cap raises. So does every zone.
This means gw2 will have a huge amount of viable content at max level after a while, whereas most MMO's only have a few dungeons/raids.
Monk, I need a monk!!!
HOLY everyone really didnt pay attention to my post at all THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT ENDGAME IS BETTER. Its about the amount of endgame you can play.
NO RAID LOCK OUTS MEANS MORE PLAYTIME = LOTS OF ENDGAME CONTENT IN GUILDWARS 2
get your heads off this WoW vs GW2 none sence or what qualifies as endgame its simple numbers regardless if WoW has 1 -2 -3 or 10 raids to do a week you can still only do them once per week.
In guildwars 2 in can do any of the 8 dungeons they offer as many times as I wish so 1-2-3-10-25 or 100 times if i have no life no job and dont sleep.
endgame isnt as much about what your doing aslong as your doing something. and in WoW PvE or Most other MMOs the cool stuff to do is limited because of lockouts where as in Guildwars 2 all the cool stuff is always available.....
DO WE UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC NOW PEOPLE..................
You have all forgot that BIG/HUGE events happen in GW2 ( you need to take down a dragon boss for example. ) that, at least, there needs to be 25 ppl ( you fight him in an open world/territory ) and he spawns randomly with a change in the zone that alarms ppl that there will be a big fight soon.
Events scale as more ppl are there, so by the time there are 50 ppl there, the boss ( in this example it's a dragon ) has more abilities, more health, more dmg and more/more valuable LOOT.
In beta I saw about 80 ppl fighting off adds/mobs and killing the dragon as he swooped and harassed the shore-line. It's very fun, believe me.
TL;DR - GW2 Events are like WoW Raids but with much more ppl on a big scale ( past 30th lvl in GW2 you can find events with more than 50 ppl ) and you ALWAYS have a option what will you do and how to help kill the boss. Watch couple of vids on youtube, it's quite nice scenery.
Meh, the way I see it, is I can't limit myself to just one game. The games I play are the games I enjoy, so I'll play both GW2 and WoW. There will be a bunch of other single player games in there as well.
MODERATORS PLEASE LOCK THIS TOPIC
the people in this thread dont seem to uderstand this is about raid lockouts and endgame bosses. I cant handle reading people twist my post into something its not.
I can do the cool epic fun bosses anytime i wish in Guildwars 2. In WoW or other MMO's with Lockouts I can only do that boss once ONCE!!!!!!! per week.
how hard is for people to understand that concept.
theres dailies and heroic dungeons blah blah blah. does anyone really think dailies or heroic dungeons compare to the fun of doing 10/25 man raids really. I dont remeber anyone ever EVER saying recruiting for our guild doing dailies / heroic dungeons. All i ever saw was guilds recruiting for raids or PvP.
man I cant believe this its so frustrating.
pretty soon im gonna have people saying fishing is endgame and so is crafting, walking in a straight line at lvl 85 thats endgame too because its at max level oh and dont forget about doing those last few quests you didnt complete when you hit lvl 85 you can always go back and do those, there cooking and farming mobs for a chance to get a mini pet WEEEEEEEEEE ITS ALL FUN ITS ALL ENDGAME WEEEEEEEEEEEE
seriously SERIOUSLY were talking about endgame meaningful endgame bosses raids you know what nevermind.
just close the damn thread!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Hellspawnxxx; 2012-06-08 at 02:38 PM.
And yes, I can sorta understand where Grimord is coming from. He is pissed that the thread maker made comparisons between WoW's endgame content and GW2's proclaimed endgame content, when in reality GW2 developers want their endgame to be at level 1. Not to mention the thread maker had made mistakes on what wow's endgame content is.
When I saw Crendor's and Jessecox's video of their gw2 playthrough, it angered me greatly that they kept comparing how questing was done, how wvw was done, and so forth. It was very obvious that they never did any research on the game, and thus not like it as much as they could have.
Last edited by Drakhar; 2012-06-08 at 02:45 PM.
the other problem is people eather read the title or the first line in your post and go......OOO YOU BASH WOW YOU DIE...its stupid and pointless i do see your points but you forgot to add the DE's in guild wars 2 and personally i can't wait to play those.
edit: major point he was trying to make is the lockouts aka *only loot once or do it once unless you do random dungeon* if you do LFR your locked out by boss kills and can only loot once a week same with raids. in heroic dungeons your are locked unless you do random dungeons. in guild wars 2 you are not locked out in anyway and the thing guild wars 2 has over wow is the fact that end game starts at level 1 not level 60-70-80-85-90-ect....
you place a quote of soemthing i said in my post that had anything to do with anything other then raids / raid lockouts and that gw2 allows you to play as muchas you want and ill delete my account off here.
Last edited by Hellspawnxxx; 2012-06-08 at 02:44 PM.
I honestly don't think the OP thought about what they were going to type before they posted it. just a shambles of a comparison. I would point out the details but meh, it been said already.
Hellspawnxxx, you are acting ridiculous. You really are not making yourself any favours by making statements like that.
You made the argument about the Guild Wars 2 Dungeons not having any restrictions and compared it only to Normal/Heroic Mode Raids and said that there were not a lot of end game content because of that. That still is a flawed argument, since there are plenty of factors to take in from both WoW and GW 2 to make the comparison work, and you have not presented the argument to make it a fair comparison to either game.
Also, just because people disagree with you does not mean that people are twisting your own words. You simply have not been doing a good job at presenting your argument well enough. That is your own fault, not ours.
Last edited by Frozen Death Knight; 2012-06-08 at 02:45 PM.