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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkusagi View Post
    Honestly I have a question. Is there a case out there that is black with blue LEDS or something along that line with this kind of airflow that is offered in this case?
    Coolermaster's CM 690 II is pretty good. Fractal Design Arc Midi is good too. Corsair's 600T has a lot of flexibility, but out of the box is a bit meager on the cooling side.

    Anyway, if you're concerned about the temperatures, replace the fans with some high-quality ones. If obstructed with a hard drive bay get some high static pressure fans to overcome them. As an example, Scythe's Slipstream fans for 'open' slots, and their Gentle Typhoon fan if you need a fan that gets blocked by a hard drive bay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    If i would be buying a completely new computer, and not already having Sandy Bridge, i would say go for Ivy Bridge straight away.
    Now only speaking from reputations, but the only downside i have seen with Ivy Bridge, is that the temperatures tends to be higher than with Sandy Bridge, else it seems to be slightly better than the 2500K in every way.
    5-10% improvement, entirely depending on the application. Outside of benchmarks, that kind of result is basically margin of error. When the 2500k costs 10 bucks less than the 3570k, then I pick the 2500k, since it also tends to net a better result with max overclocks anyway, mostly because it scales a notch bit better. Of course, with varying chips you may have more or less luck with either of the processors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    I wouldnt recommend the Corsair Force 3 SSD..
    I got one myself, and only reason i havent replaced it is due to my economy.
    I have had too much problem with it. First bluescreens etc, then sudden drops in performance, even after updating firmware.
    When i will be able to buy a new one, it will most likely be a Samsung 830, else the Crucial m4 have had some really nice reviews.
    I know the earlier revisions were a mixed bag, but the newer ones come with the firmware updated past that roadbump anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    Coolermaster's CM 690 II is pretty good. Fractal Design Arc Midi is good too. Corsair's 600T has a lot of flexibility, but out of the box is a bit meager on the cooling side.

    Anyway, if you're concerned about the temperatures, replace the fans with some high-quality ones. If obstructed with a hard drive bay get some high static pressure fans to overcome them. As an example, Scythe's Slipstream fans for 'open' slots, and their Gentle Typhoon fan if you need a fan that gets blocked by a hard drive bay.
    I will only speak for the 600T now, but i find this to be a really nice case. Its a bit bigger than normal Midi Towers, and got lots of room for cable management behind the motherboard tray.
    I find the cooling to be quite nice with it. Already with stock fans and Antec Kühler H2O 620, temps dropped by around 5º C when switching from Fractal Design Define R3 to the Corsair Graphite 600T.
    Tho i replaced the 2x 200mm fans after a while, the top one for a Corsair H100, front one for a BitFenix Spectre PRO 200mm, and the back one for a Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1350 RPM 120mm fan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    5-10% improvement, entirely depending on the application. Outside of benchmarks, that kind of result is basically margin of error. When the 2500k costs 10 bucks less than the 3570k, then I pick the 2500k, since it also tends to net a better result with max overclocks anyway, mostly because it scales a notch bit better. Of course, with varying chips you may have more or less luck with either of the processors.
    Im not looking into starting a debate here weather 2500K is better or not, just pointing out with arguments from both sides.

    Im not sure how reliable this source is, but they show some testing on i5 2500K vs 3570K.
    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...k-cpu-review/8
    The 5-10% improvement is accurate according to those tests, only thing they really could complain on was the higher temperatures when overclocking, and that have been said by many others also. Tho they also gave a theory why it could be like that.
    But its still something they recommend people to buy unless they already got a 2500K.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    I know the earlier revisions were a mixed bag, but the newer ones come with the firmware updated past that roadbump anyway.
    I bought mine almost a year ago, and this was after the first time they said the problems should be fixed, and i took a look at Corsairs forum and compared numbers to the batches and it said mine should be from the batch of SSDs that had the problem fixed.
    Yet i had bluescreens happening once in a while, and after reboot the bios wouldnt recognize the SSD for a small amount of time.
    Updated the firmware and problems went away, but im still noticing a reduction in performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    Stuff about 600T
    Aaaaaaaaand that's what I said. The 600T is a good case, but its cooling is not the best by any stretch of the imagination. Not 'bad', but definitely not an impressive case on the cooling side. It's nice to build in and all, which I did literally a few hours ago, and it can probably be turned into an amazing case as far as cooling goes with the right fans.

    By comparison the Define R3 is in my eyes a bit rubbish for a variety of reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    Im not looking into starting a debate here weather 2500K is better or not, just pointing out with arguments from both sides.
    If you don't want to start a debate, don't continue it, lol.

    I don't consider the performance to offer the kind of lead it needs to be worth virtually any kind of price difference, and that's pretty much all the reason I suggest the 2500k instead. If you want, go get the 3570k. I'm not holding you in cuffs here or anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    I bought mine almost a year ago, and this was after the first time they said the problems should be fixed, and i took a look at Corsairs forum and compared numbers to the batches and it said mine should be from the batch of SSDs that had the problem fixed.
    Yet i had bluescreens happening once in a while, and after reboot the bios wouldnt recognize the SSD for a small amount of time.
    Updated the firmware and problems went away, but im still noticing a reduction in performance.
    Exactly what did you compare? Because I'm gonna go out on a limb and imply the guys you bought it from were selling you an older SSD which had not been updated. But with that said, even then there still exists faulty units, regardless of brand or quality control. They just slip through one way or the other.

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    I really like the three of those cases.

    The NZXT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146089
    The Corsair 600T http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139007
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    The Cooler Master CM690 II http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119216

    The only draw back of the NZXT is that its a window where you can't mount fans. The Cooler Master has something that caught my eye which was the behind the motherboard fan mount. Not that I will be overclocking heavily, but I think that would be really nice to have in my desert of a room. All in all it will be a hard choice for sure.

    I think for sure I may go with the Sandy Bridge, its just a little bit cheaper and will allow me to throw in a few extra bucks towards a black and blue motherboard. Also buying one of these cases, cuts down on how many fans I would have had to brought with the other case, allowing for even more extra money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    Aaaaaaaaand that's what I said. The 600T is a good case, but its cooling is not the best by any stretch of the imagination. Not 'bad', but definitely not an impressive case on the cooling side. It's nice to build in and all, which I did literally a few hours ago, and it can probably be turned into an amazing case as far as cooling goes with the right fans.

    By comparison the Define R3 is in my eyes a bit rubbish for a variety of reasons.
    I found the cooling to be really nice in the 600T even with stock fans. The only reason i replaced the front one was because the LED started to annoy me.
    The top fan had to be replaced due to the H100 and not being able to mount the fans in a push-setup, else i would have kept the 200mm on top for some extra pulling of the air.

    The Define R3 is nice for a basic gaming computer, it starts to lack with cooling when starting with overclocking and going for high-end graphic cards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    If you don't want to start a debate, don't continue it, lol.

    I don't consider the performance to offer the kind of lead it needs to be worth virtually any kind of price difference, and that's pretty much all the reason I suggest the 2500k instead. If you want, go get the 3570k. I'm not holding you in cuffs here or anything.
    I did say i was only speaking from reputations, so i stand myself corrected, because the things you mentioned, isnt much i have heard about.
    Performance-wise its hardly any difference, that i agree with, because else i would have upgraded to that one already.
    What my point was, was that if going for a new setup and not already having Sandy Bridge, its atleast worth the time to take a look on what Ivy Bridge offers.
    It wont be much, but some people wants the latest on the market, which in this case would be Ivy Bridge.


    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    Exactly what did you compare? Because I'm gonna go out on a limb and imply the guys you bought it from were selling you an older SSD which had not been updated. But with that said, even then there still exists faulty units, regardless of brand or quality control. They just slip through one way or the other.
    Taken from: http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=96333
    I know the thread was started a year ago, but it have been going on with issues since then, and that thread was quite new when i bought my Force 3 120GB.

    "Any user having issues with a Force Series 3 120 GB SSD beginning with serial # 1123 or later. Note, this is the serial number from the label only, NOT the digital serial number. The digital serial number has no relation to the firmware or this issue."

    And the number my SSD got on that label starts with 1139.
    And that thread also got some workarounds to try out.
    But for me it have been stable since the firmware update i did like a month ago, but from what i have read on other posts, some SSDs got another issue with not being able to update the firmware.

    I got the Force 3 as a replacement for a ADATA 510-series SSD that was having even more issues. (And by that time, i was working in that store)

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    I found this and thought it was pretty neat. Maybe something I could ask for Christmas to mod my computer further with the black and blue theme. Do you think it would be difficult to do?

    http://www.xoxide.com/modsmart-profe...gkit-blue.html

    I really appreciate everyone's help so far

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    You could always just buy the corsair AX650 PSU (solid power supply) and then buy these for it (MUCH easier option IMO):

    http://www.corsair.com/us/catalog/pr...e/category/44/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    some SSDs got another issue with not being able to update the firmware.
    I've had to RMA one such SSD, but it was pretty old.
    With that said, you're not gonna fare much better with most other SSDs, as they have a variety of issues of their own.

    I find that Corsair have had excellent customer support, so I'd rather just open an RMA and have it sent in. Corsair ponies up for shipping and will send an advance unit if you ask for it.

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    I was thinking, depending on the case that I do end up buying, should I try *meaning if my budget can handle it* purchase a fan controller for all the fans?

    If I don't but add more fans to the build, where do I even plug fans into? I know I have read it somewhere, but atm I just don't remember where. The motherboard or the PSU. I know some cases come with a little fan hub to plug in all those fans. I actually looked to purchase a little fan hub but haven't seen anything offered like that yet that they put in the computer cases.

    I am extremely tired, and about to go to bed but the question was bothering me.

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    That depends on the case. Some of them have a built-in fan controller, though not all of them are particularly good. The 600T's fan controller appears okay. However, with the Asus Z77 boards you also have a PWM and voltage regulation fan controller available via software from Asus.

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    I promise this is the LAST change to my build....hopefully! :P I changed some things around like the motherboard, ram and heatsink, case and video card. I ended up going with the ASUS card because I came across a link....don't ask me where it was somewhere on these forums actually, and anyway I decided the ASUS video card was the best to go with.

    Case:
    Corsair Graphite Series 600T
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139007

    Storage:
    HDD
    Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 7200 RPM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840

    SSD:
    SAMSUNG 830 Series
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147163

    Motherboard:
    ASUS P8Z77-V
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131820

    CPU:
    Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072

    Heatsink:
    Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BL 140mm
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835709002

    Memory:
    G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231546

    Video Card:
    ASUS GTX670
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121637

    PSU:
    Seasonic SS-560KM 560W
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151098


    Now let me explain and ask a few things. I went with the motherboard because it has WiFi and I probably really need to give this USB Wireless back to the person I borrowed it from. :P It also goes with my black and blue theme that I am striving to have. It also has Fan-xpert

    I decided to go with the Sandy Bridge to save money, and I can overclock which brings me to my heat sink I chose. I really like it because of the color, but my main question is, will it fit inside the case I have chosen? I can choose another case that I also like that it may fit in better. Also will the heat sink keep the Sandy Bridge cool enough?

    And the ram I chose because its cheap, gives me 8GB's and is low profile for that monster of a heat sink


    Hopefully you guys can get rid of me soon :P

    BTW: this build will cost me $1,593.89 which is in my price range.

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    Heat sink will be fine for OC, and will fit in the case. It's about the same size as Noctua NH-D14 and I've seen those fit in the 600T. It looks pretty cool ^^

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    I looked at the Noctua NH-D14 and it seems nice, I just didn't like the color :P Thank-you for letting me know it will fit in the case!

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    Looks pretty good. I'd have made a few different choices, but at this stage that's just some opinionated stuff, not anything necessary. ouo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    The Define R3 is nice for a basic gaming computer, it starts to lack with cooling when starting with overclocking and going for high-end graphic cards
    Where do you exactly base this on? With 'average system' Define R3 beats Corsair 600T in both GPU and CPU cooling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirv3s View Post
    Where do you exactly base this on? With 'average system' Define R3 beats Corsair 600T in both GPU and CPU cooling.
    I had the Define R3 with i5 2500K overclocked to 4,3GHz, 2x 560Ti OC Edition in SLI, every fan-slot used and a Antec Kühler H2O 620.
    With that, the temps were around this (full load):
    CPU: 70º C, GPU1: 70º C, GPU2: 55º C, System temp: 40-45º C.

    When i switched to the 600T, only using the 2x 200mm stock fans + the Antec cooler, temps dropped to around (full load):
    CPU: 65º C, GPU1: 65º C, GPU2: 50º C, System temp: 35-40º C.

    And i dont see overclocking and SLI as 'average system'. (My opinion, you might see it in another way)

    Im not saying its a bad case, but when going aiming for overclocking and +2 GPUs, i would say there are better cases out there.
    I bought the 600T only because of the bigger size, i like the design and removable drive, and i didnt want a full tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancerot View Post
    I had the Define R3 with i5 2500K overclocked to 4,3GHz, 2x 560Ti OC Edition in SLI, every fan-slot used and a Antec Kühler H2O 620.
    With that, the temps were around this (full load):
    CPU: 70º C, GPU1: 70º C, GPU2: 55º C, System temp: 40-45º C.

    When i switched to the 600T, only using the 2x 200mm stock fans + the Antec cooler, temps dropped to around (full load):
    CPU: 65º C, GPU1: 65º C, GPU2: 50º C, System temp: 35-40º C.

    And i dont see overclocking and SLI as 'average system'. (My opinion, you might see it in another way)

    Im not saying its a bad case, but when going aiming for overclocking and +2 GPUs, i would say there are better cases out there.
    I bought the 600T only because of the bigger size, i like the design and removable drive, and i didnt want a full tower.
    Screenshots or this didn't happen. Quite exact numbers you remember ^^
    guchi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    I have one more question!

    I am actually thinking about getting this case instead:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146089

    and I have planned changing the fans out whenever I get the money. My husband is actually going to buy me a few things for my build to help me make it look prettier. Such as:

    http://www.xoxide.com/modsmart-profe...gkit-blue.html to make all my wires in my computer one color, and

    http://www.xoxide.com/5elwire-blue.html
    http://www.xoxide.com/blue-elwirestrip.html

    to help to make my Tron theme come more alive. I do have a question about http://www.xoxide.com/5elwire-blue.htm. I have in my mind atm to do the tron lettering design on the window of the case:



    I know the wire has to be connected to a power source from what I can gather, but I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on how to hide the wiring? I though about putting the lettering towards the top or bottom of the case so I can hide the wiring behind the solid part of the side. I also seen I can connect the wiring to my PSU or to a battery pack and here is the connector I think to the PSU.

    http://www.xoxide.com/elwire-quickconnect-splitter.html

    Although I am not certain if that would actually connect to the PSU or if I would need an adapter to do so.



    edit: picture was to big chose another one
    Last edited by Usako; 2012-07-03 at 02:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirv3s View Post
    Screenshots or this didn't happen. Quite exact numbers you remember ^^
    I got a easy time remembering numbers.
    And just because a comparison says one thing, with one setup, doesnt mean it will have the same results with other components.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkusagi View Post
    I have one more question!

    I am actually thinking about getting this case instead:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146089

    and I have planned changing the fans out whenever I get the money. My husband is actually going to buy me a few things for my build to help me make it look prettier. Such as:

    http://www.xoxide.com/modsmart-profe...gkit-blue.html to make all my wires in my computer one color, and

    http://www.xoxide.com/5elwire-blue.html
    http://www.xoxide.com/blue-elwirestrip.html

    to help to make my Tron theme come more alive. I do have a question about http://www.xoxide.com/5elwire-blue.htm. I have in my mind atm to do the tron lettering design on the window of the case:


    I know the wire has to be connected to a power source from what I can gather, but I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on how to hide the wiring? I though about putting the lettering towards the top or bottom of the case so I can hide the wiring behind the solid part of the side. I also seen I can connect the wiring to my PSU or to a battery pack and here is the connector I think to the PSU.

    http://www.xoxide.com/elwire-quickconnect-splitter.html

    Although I am not certain if that would actually connect to the PSU or if I would need an adapter to do so.



    edit: picture was to big chose another one
    Its up to you which case you want, since it will be you looking at it every day, so its usually the hardest part when building a new computer.
    We are just giving our recommendations on whats worth buying.
    I dont know how well NZXTs cases are, but i have heard some of them getting quite some nice reviews.

    But i think the Tron-theme would be quite cool with that case.

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