MoP: glyph of icy touch, wtf holy bs batman

[Stormspellz]

"your icy touch dispels one helpful buff from target"

dear blizz didn't you learn the from arcane shot dispel, that dps ability with "thoughtless" dispel was bad?

[Hanto]

The only thing is.... that... unless my memory fails, the dispel from arcane shot was implemented when hunters used mana, so it could almost be spammed indefinitely and it still did a crap ton of damage.

Icy touch, however, takes a precious rune which could be used for something way more important. Thus it wouldn't be a "thoughtless" dispel. I think you may be fallin' off your rocker a bit here.

[klogaroth]

Using this means you are sacrificing an obliterate or scourge strike and doing something way outside of what you would normally do. Not to mention the fact that you have to use a major glyph spot to do this.

[Stormspellz]

The only thing is.... that... unless my memory fails, the dispel from arcane shot was implemented when hunters used mana, so it could almost be spammed indefinitely and it still did a crap ton of damage.

Icy touch, however, takes a precious rune which could be used for something way more important. Thus it wouldn't be a "thoughtless" dispel. I think you may be fallin' off your rocker a bit here.

I understand you have give up a major strike and major glyph but for melee spec they really don't need more effective range abilities and when you consider the frost fever snare can be given to any spec, why use chains when you can IT = dispel + snare + decent damage with the same rune.

[ThargixEchoes]

Because the damage from icy touch is laughable?
You will sacrifice a lot of damage from just mindlessly spamming this spell.

[Daimon]

What pvp frost DK uses IT?? We have the deseace bound to HB, no point to use IT at all..........until now

[Razorice]

I don't think this is a bad implementation since "spamming" Icy Touch is not advisable.

[Pr0ev0lution]

as said icy touch just isn't used. pretty sure i don't even bother having it on my bars any more for any spec, that frost rune is far to valuable to waste it on an icy touch

[Nangz]

Only unholy uses icy touch to apply diseases at the moment. Frost uses howling blast and unholy's disease protection means that on single target, reapplying diseases is a non issue.

I actually like this glyph, gives frost some utility from an ability that does nothing for them. However for unholy it is more of an "mindless" dispel. However it isn't used nearly as much as arcane shot for hunters was.

[Xista]

I never really thought that death knights needed a dispel.

This is mostly another buff for them to shut down casters, which I don't think is necessary.

[Malgru]

Only unholy uses icy touch to apply diseases at the moment. Frost uses howling blast and unholy's disease protection means that on single target, reapplying diseases is a non issue.

I actually like this glyph, gives frost some utility from an ability that does nothing for them. However for unholy it is more of an "mindless" dispel. However it isn't used nearly as much as arcane shot for hunters was.

Er... Chains of Ice > Icy Touch?

[Goatfish]

Can you now choose what buff to dispel? Or is it still fairly popular to get rid of that prayer of fortitude instead of the shield for 30k and the renew ticking for 10k? Can Druid Hots still be constantly spammed and basically impossible to ever truly get rid of?

I don't see the problem in this, especially since even with full death runes you still would need 6 gcds or 9 seconds to clear someone of buffs that can be put back on in that same amount of time or less, and in that time you are doing like 100dps. Unless you are really complaining about them mindlessly dispelling one single random buff every what... 10-20 seconds?

[Stormspellz]

Can you now choose what buff to dispel? Or is it still fairly popular to get rid of that prayer of fortitude instead of the shield for 30k and the renew ticking for 10k? Can Druid Hots still be constantly spammed and basically impossible to ever truly get rid of?

I don't see the problem in this, especially since even with full death runes you still would need 6 gcds or 9 seconds to clear someone of buffs that can be put back on in that same amount of time or less, and in that time you are doing like 100dps.

I think you really underestimate things, like forcing a druid to reapply hots, but with the dispel change of mop and having an all in one ability that will snare, damage, dispel, generate runic power, and be ranged while yes it won't be spammed but seems to much in one for UH (since frost is hb)

would rather have a real mechanic to prevent being trained and/or just spam cds zerg style they are so famous for.

[Istaril]

"your icy touch dispels one helpful buff from target"

dear blizz didn't you learn the from arcane shot dispel, that dps ability with "thoughtless" dispel was bad?

No one uses Icy Touch once you have Chains of Ice. It's essentially just giving us a dispel button with a minor bit of damage.

[cexspa]

too many people defending this. you either haven't played a DK on beta and did not toy around with this.
This new glyph is cluth and you will soon find out how great this glyph is. That said i think this glyph is needed for dks come mop specially with NS being inferior. the days of spamming NS are over once mop is out and i guess this glyph was put to help out and make dks interesting to some pvp comps. (keep in mind this is from an unholy pov)

with this glyph i had such an easy time vs priests / mages.. frost mages will be much easier once you dispell there barrier. it is useful vs other classes but these 2 stood out the most in terms of effectiveness.

[wakarimas]

too many people defending this. you either haven't played a DK on beta and did not toy around with this.
This new glyph is cluth and you will soon find out how great this glyph is. That said i think this glyph is needed for dks come mop specially with NS being inferior. the days of spamming NS are over once mop is out and i guess this glyph was put to help out and make dks interesting to some pvp comps. (keep in mind this is from an unholy pov)

with this glyph i had such an easy time vs priests / mages.. frost mages will be much easier once you dispell there barrier. it is useful vs other classes but these 2 stood out the most in terms of effectiveness.

So you are saying that you had problems with mages as an unholy dk before getting this glyph?

I think that says alot and we probably dont need to discuss it further

[Goatfish]

I think you really underestimate things, like forcing a druid to reapply hots, but with the dispel change of mop and having an all in one ability that will snare, damage, dispel, generate runic power, and be ranged while yes it won't be spammed but seems to much in one for UH (since frost is hb)

would rather have a real mechanic to prevent being trained and/or just spam cds zerg style they are so famous for.

I played my shit druid in arena for a bit, it didn't even really bother me if I even noticed that someone dispelled just one of my 8 hots on a target. Maybe this changes in 2200 play but I really doubt it. Now dispelling paladin wings or something is noticable, but again, good luck getting lucky getting that one buff out of 10 on the target. Reasons why WoW pvp is so dumb #135 right there.

edit: this is coming from someone who played a resto/ele shaman in arena and DID break 2200 on that. Even when purge was 2 targets is was a gigantic pain in the rear to get the correct buff off a target especially if a druid was on the team unless all you did was spam purge every other gcd.