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    Whats our mage doing wrong?

    ok, legendary fire mage in our raid group consistently pulls low dps. 2nd kill of DW HC this week he managed to beat a tank on dmg.... by 0.5%
    can anyone take a look out our DW kill log and give us any idea what hes doing wrong.... Paralyza btw :P

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/f.../?s=142&e=1000

    any input would be much appreciated.

    thanks.
    Last edited by furtality; 2012-06-22 at 10:31 PM. Reason: added name of mage :P
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    Paralyza is hitting Combustion too early I believe. 10k Combustion is quite low, even for a non-Madness fight

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    combustion dmg is low
    only 58% uptime on living bomb should be atleast 95%
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxyEU View Post
    combustion dmg is low
    only 58% uptime on living bomb should be atleast 95%
    wow, as low as that? :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by furtality View Post
    wow, as low as that? :/
    You can also keep living bomb up on two things the majority of the fight, sometimes even have it on three. There is no reason Living Bomb should ever be below 95%. Tell him to get a dot tracker that tracks where his living bomb is being placed. I recommend Combustion Helper. That will help him with his ignites for his combusts as well.

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    I would say there are a few things that could be wrong. Crappy frame rates due to a POS computer, lag do to shit ISP, or inexperience coupled with overconfidence. Those things or ignorance if they don't know what kind of dps they should be doing they may think they are doing the best they can when they are not. This would lead to stagnation in their growth as a player.

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    In his defense the tank he is just above is a druid, that seems to be tanking the hemmerage.... That is some serious meter padding.

    LB Uptime is definatly one of his problems, a mouse over macro for LB and Combustion helper will probably be of great benifit.
    Also 6 combustions on a 14 minute fight should be nearer to 10.
    2 casts of Mirrors, 2 Evocations, to low...

    There doesnt seem to be much off on the gear, though his belt has a potent yellow in there which is just wrong.

    For one thing I dont see why on earth he would use fireblast at madness, yes a well timed Pyro dot / impact on the hemmorage perhaps... but 36 blasts? No.

    Neither of your mages really shine though, Malon has 68% uptime on LB, though his combustion is much better, he under used it too at 8 times.
    Noticable difference between the two,
    260 Fireballs from Malon vs 240 from Paralyze... For 1 million damage.
    2 million Spell weave procs
    Malon knows to double LB, though his uptime isnt great on LB he did to 350 ticks 48 explosions (65 casts), vs 260 ticks 42 explosions (54 casts)
    The damage done tells the story though 4.9 + 1.1 = 6 mio for LB from Malon vs 3.7 + 1 mio for Paralyze.

    This is a total of 4 mio difference or about 4 mio / 14/60 = 4750 dps, but both can and should do better.
    Malon is reforging Crit to Hit instead of Haste to Hit, the spirit neck though heroic... I am not sure if its better or not, but MEH.

    Looking at the Ultrax fight earlier, Paralyze's LB uptime is 62% and hit hits 12 Fireblasts... Ultrax HC isnt that different from normal tbh,
    62% on this fight is way to low, 12 blasts is probably just a waste of dps.
    Even the start of the fight is wrong, he starts of with LB.
    He doesnt pre-pot on the Ultrax fight either, but pots after 5 seconds into the fight.

    A random sample:
    [22:52:27.050] Paralyza begins to cast Fireball
    [22:52:29.020] Paralyza begins to cast Fireball
    [22:52:30.970] Paralyza begins to cast Fireball
    [22:52:32.880] Paralyza casts Pyroblast! on Ultraxion
    [22:52:35.120] Paralyza casts Ultimate Power
    [22:52:35.120] Paralyza begins to cast Fireball
    Between the use of Pyroblast! and his trinket (ultimate power) a 2+second laps of time where his not casting anything

    Malon on the other hand does better here with 88% LB uptime

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    Several things......first things first I'd have a word with both your mages on living bomb.... 52 for one and 68 for the other. No reason to have it anywhere below 90s. Second why is paralyze using bottled wishes? Lack of a better trinket? It's not very bueno for fire compared to wou or insignia. Third, why is the other Mage using Mage armor? And his evocation regen seems semi low. He could regen more with evo than have to armor swap. Next, are you severely lacking slows? Why is cone of cold being used at all? Blast wave is a MUCH better alternative. They should both be....55k+. If not more. Dat multidotting.
    However, major major props to both of your Druids. Good work to them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyiana View Post
    However, major major props to both of your Druids. Good work to them!

    The kitty does very nice, the bear though is just tanking the hemmerages and proccing the hell out of Spellweave. Seeing the hemmorage tank at 40+ is nothing strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyiana View Post
    However, major major props to both of your Druids. Good work to them!
    Quote Originally Posted by namliam View Post
    The kitty does very nice
    awww you guys ^.^ thanks. lol.

    anyway... i didnt realise they were slacking so much. for a fight like DW HC with lots of targets to dot you'd have thought they'd keep on top of it.
    i can't say why what they do. just coming away from the fight seeing Para "a legendary fire mage" do so little dps just prompted me to get some experts
    on the case. Malon is a "standby / social" whos running FL for his Legendary. his gear is sub to Para's but clearly knows how to play a mage more than
    Para. who seems to use achieves from bragging rights in trade.
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    Hmmm... perhaps you should make your leg. mage read some guides... JC is terrible, too much haste, over hitcapped... I also cannot imagine that he has nothing better than the bottles-trinket... enchants also not ok (Mastery on hands unless you need haste... he has too much haste... and also aims not for a haste plateau as it seems)

    But biggest waste of DPS is certainly living bomb with an uptime of 50% in a multidot-fight^^

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    I am going out on a limb and say both of your mages are clickers. Now don't get me wrong, many click and do well, but a tell tale sign more times than not of low dps is when that person is a habitual clicker.

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    In addition to the comments about his rotation, I looked up his armory, and his reforging is ridiculous. I don't understand.

    His chest piece has Hit and Haste, and he decided to take away hit for crit? That's stupid, he either doesn't know stat priority or doesn't know how to reforge. You're gonna have to either use a reforging website or add on for him or do it yourself.

    The priority is Hit > Crit > Haste/Mastery.

    The way you reforge (for the most part) is:
    1. If an item has crit and hit, leave it alone.
    2. If an item has crit and no hit, reforge the other stat to hit.
    3. If an item has hit and no crit, reforge the other stat to crit.

    And tell him to take off that glyph of mirror images while you're giving him this talk.

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    For fire I believe the Glyph of Mirror immage is a small dps loss, but there are much much bigger issues here.

    Though he has a 0.36 % over hit capped, his reforging isnt that bad - for manual work - using a website or addon could get that to workable stats.
    Reforging Hit > Crit to allow for a Mastery > Hit reforge elsewhere is NOT bad in effect you are allowing for a Mastery > Crit reforge and meanwhile balancing your hit to 17%. WWW.WoWReforge.com or an ingame addon like reforgelite can do a bit of improvement there, this would result in perhaps some 0.5% extra crit at the expense of some (overcapped) hit and probably some haste/mastery. Same as the glyph though, bigger things are a problem.

    He does have one gemming error currently costing him some stats. His belt he has a potent lava coral (orange) in a blue slot.
    If your not gonna match the collour use a Brilliant Queens Garnet, not a coral. If you are going to match the socket... match the socket. But again, Bigger problems.

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