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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I can't speak to your experiences (obviously) or policy as a more general matter, but when my Korean ex was pulled over in the US, she wasn't asked for any additional documentation other than her license.
    Well, that's always up to the officer. If he's satisfied that he's being told the truth, the license may be all he requires. If he has suspicions that something's not right, he can go further. I would guess he believed what she said. There's a difference in what *can* be done, and what is *required*, and most of it us up to the officer to decide if there's a reason to dig further. That's why I have a hard time believing that a lot of the stories are any more than incidents that happen, but are far less common than the news would like you to believe.

    No officer likes to do extra paperwork, and any international stop involves it.
    Last edited by mavfin; 2012-06-28 at 12:52 AM.

  2. #362
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Who are you and what have you done with the normally hyper-partisan KDSwain?
    I am not hyper-partisan. I hold ALL politicians and bureaucrats with the same disdain. They are all the scum of the earth.

    My dream is that some day I don't really know who the President, my Senators or my US Reps are because they don't even matter.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -CS Lewis

  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSwain View Post
    btw...here is my real fear of the open US/Mexico border. This is one we caught, how many have gotten across the border and are here plotting against us? This is the real danger of the border; not lettuce pickers, dishwashers and roofers.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan...leric-20110127
    What will prevent them from bribing foreign airport security and hijack a foreign plane on its way to the US and then fly it into a building?
    You cant protect yourselves against every lone wolf but those who actually plot against you can be picked up by your very comprehensive and invasive intelligence agencies.

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSwain View Post
    I am not hyper-partisan. I hold ALL politicians and bureaucrats with the same disdain. They are all the scum of the earth.

    My dream is that some day I don't really know who the President, my Senators or my US Reps are because they don't even matter.
    You know this makes them more likely to be awful not better right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    You know this makes them more likely to be awful not better right?
    Not when they have been rightfully neutered of their powers.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -CS Lewis

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by mavfin View Post
    Well, that's always up to the officer. If he's satisfied that he's being told the truth, the license may be all he requires. If he has suspicions that something's not right, he can go further. I would guess he believed what she said. There's a difference in what *can* be done, and what is *required*, and most of it us up to the officer to decide if there's a reason to dig further. That's why I have a hard time believing that a lot of the stories are any more than incidents that happen, but are far less common than the news would like you to believe.

    No officer likes to do extra paperwork, and any international stop involves it.
    This explanation makes perfectly good sense, thanks!

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSwain View Post
    Not when they have been rightfully neutered of their powers.
    Then you'll just have to learn the names of whatever corporate lords operate in your area. You can't create a sustained power vacuum.

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by mistuhbull View Post
    I haven't ever been to Italy, but i'll tell you this, Italians aint got shit on Israelis for being crazy drivers.

    Crossing the street in US: look left, look right, look left, walk across
    Crossing in Israel: Look left, look right, look left, look right, pray, look left, look right, sprint and hope you don't get run over
    I sat in a taxi on the way to the airport and i was fearing for my life - the driver had never heard of such thing as brakes and just zig zagged around every car n stuff... Totally insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Then you'll just have to learn the names of whatever corporate lords operate in your area. You can't create a sustained power vacuum.
    Silence - common sense has no place here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Then you'll just have to learn the names of whatever corporate lords operate in your area. You can't create a sustained power vacuum.
    I prefer to deal with my mayor, alderman, governor and state legislature. If they want to get wacky, I'll move to Texas.

    As for corporate lords, just read my sig
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -CS Lewis

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSwain View Post
    I prefer to deal with my mayor, alderman, governor and state legislature. If they want to get wacky, I'll move to Texas.

    As for corporate lords, just read my sig
    Could always just elect better leaders and stop having your politicians deciding what is moral and what is not. Worked wonderfully where I am.

  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Could always just elect better leaders and stop having your politicians deciding what is moral and what is not. Worked wonderfully where I am.
    I'd be all for that. It's just that not enough here care yet to actually find out things on their own and not just believe everything the (very biased either way) media feeds them. Until that happens we'll keep electing idiots who couldn't even run a whorehouse at a profit, let alone a government. (Nevada, govt took over a whorehouse, and went bankrupt with it.)

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by mavfin View Post
    Well, if he calls that in, he can indeed verify my citizenship using it. Or green-card, or whatever ID was used to get said license. He's not going to ask me to find my birth certificate and/or SS card, but someone who got an ID/DL with their green card will most likely get asked to produce that, too. And as far as I know, you can't legally get a driver's license as an illegal. It's done, but they'll be found out as false if subjected to scrutiny.
    You can get a license while not being a citizen, and then let your visa expire. You still have that ID.

    And I'm curious on whether state and local police officers have access to determine whether someone is here legally or not. I have my doubts, otherwise why the necessity to involve the feds on these types of things?

  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    You can get a license while not being a citizen, and then let your visa expire. You still have that ID.

    And I'm curious on whether state and local police officers have access to determine whether someone is here legally or not. I have my doubts, otherwise why the necessity to involve the feds on these types of things?
    They may not personally, but, they have a radio, so they can get to someone who *can* get the info, if need be.

  14. #374
    You call it a Supreme Court decision. I call it treason. Time for term limits on these bums.

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by mavfin View Post
    They may not personally, but, they have a radio, so they can get to someone who *can* get the info, if need be.
    Yeah, my question is more about who they call. I figured it was obvious that they don't personally know.

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    Well, once they call their dispatcher, it can go to a lot of places. City, County, State, FBI, other Federal agencies, whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    You can get a license while not being a citizen, and then let your visa expire. You still have that ID.

    And I'm curious on whether state and local police officers have access to determine whether someone is here legally or not. I have my doubts, otherwise why the necessity to involve the feds on these types of things?
    They don't. The local and state police have to contact CBP to check immigration status. Strangely, following this decision the Obama Admin has basically said they will no longer be there to answer the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiporispit View Post
    You call it a Supreme Court decision. I call it treason. Time for term limits on these bums.
    Not really. Immigration should be handled on a Federal level. The problem is that the Feds have no desire to do anything about it. Too many people on both ends of the political spectrum depend on illegal immigrants.

    As for calling them bums, I think they will be redeeming themselves tomorrow when they inform the political scum that they cannot force Americans to purchase a product in order to be a legal citizen.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -CS Lewis

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    You can get a license while not being a citizen, and then let your visa expire. You still have that ID.
    The license will expire before the expiration date on the visa. Basically, since you need the visa to get the license they won't set the expiration date on the license beyond the expiration date on the visa. Sure you'd still have that ID, but what good is an expired ID.

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    I support it. Can't wait to get the funds to move there.

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