What I wish GW2 actually did.

[Delias]

/thread right there. If the game was balanced around having tank/healer, then 5 DPS would be too hard. If it was balanced around having 5 DPS, using a tank/healer would make it faceroll.

Unless they made it so that healers didn't heal enough to carry a group so that you could do a dungeon with or without a healer, and that healer had to do more than just sit in the back and click unit frames.
Wait, that's already in the game. =P

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*snip*

Yeah, let's not go there, not appropriate for the forums and not productive. Infracted. -Edge

[Jtbrig7390]

In before people say "Oh this game isn't for you" because I speak my opinion on something.

As it is now, no class can become a pure tank or healer. If you attempt to tank, even with defensive abilities, you still get face stomped by the NPCs. As far as I know, the Water Elemental is the only one that comes close to being a pure healer. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of not needed those two roles to do dungeons and other stuff. I just wish that ArenaNet would have at least given us the choice to do those roles if we wanted to. For example, Warriors and Guardians should have been given the option to be a pure tank that can sit there and take the damage for his or her group. As for a pure healer, Elementalist and maybe the Mesmer should have also been given the option to play pure healer.

I still love the game and can't wait to play it. That is just my opinion on what I think they should have done with the class system.

like many others have said it isn't trolling the game isn't for you.

they are not doing the Tank/Healer/Dps setup like other mmorpg's and that is a good thing its something different if you hoping for guild wars 2 to be the same as other mmorpg's its just better if you go play other mmorpg's they want to be different and there doing it.

[AdrianCC100]

like many others have said it isn't trolling the game isn't for you.

they are not doing the Tank/Healer/Dps setup like other mmorpg's and that is a good thing its something different if you hoping for guild wars 2 to be the same as other mmorpg's its just better if you go play other mmorpg's they want to be different and there doing it.

Like I have said many times already. Yes the game is for me, I love Guild Wars 2. I had a blast in the beta events. I can't wait for it to come out. Stop telling me this game isn't for me. God forbid I put my opinion out there on something I would have liked to see them do differently. Just because they didn't do what a wanted, does that mean I won't like the game or have fun? No.

[DrakeWurrum]

like many others have said it isn't trolling the game isn't for you.

I still say we should just not say that. It contributes nothing to the discussion. This guy is fully interested in the game, paid for the game already, participated in the beta event, and is going to play it no matter how many times you people tell him the game isn't for him. He's simply thinking out loud about something he would've liked to see, for the reasons he mentioned.

Much better to actually discuss the topic with him and point out where and how he might still get that same "feel" of tanking/healing that he desires.


Also: Adrian, you might want to watch this video, as it touches on the topic:

[Jtbrig7390]

Like I have said many times already. Yes the game is for me, I love Guild Wars 2. I had a blast in the beta events. I can't wait for it to come out. Stop telling me this game isn't for me.

you don't like how its setup and wished it had the tank/healer/dps setup so when you do start playing it and you see what you want isn't there you may hate the game and it will not be the game for you....

[DrakeWurrum]

you don't like how its setup and wished it had the tank/healer/dps setup so when you do start playing it and you see what you want isn't there you may hate the game and it will not be the game for you....

He has played the game. He has loved the game. He has enjoyed the game. Stop trying so hard to literally shut people up about ideas just because you completely disagree with them.

I don't want to see dedicated roles either. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't help the discussion or the community to respond that way.

[Jtbrig7390]

I still say we should just not say that. It contributes nothing to the discussion. This guy is fully interested in the game, paid for the game already, participated in the beta event, and is going to play it no matter how many times you people tell him the game isn't for him. He's simply thinking out loud about something he would've liked to see, for the reasons he mentioned.

Much better to actually discuss the topic with him and point out where and how he might still get that same "feel" of tanking/healing that he desires.


Also: Adrian, you might want to watch this video, as it touches on the topic:

ok i admit i worded that wrong and thats why i reworded it in a reply to him. if what he wants isn't there he may come to hate the game and therefor the game would not be good for him is what i mean.

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He has played the game. He has loved the game. He has enjoyed the game. Stop trying so hard to literally shut people up about ideas just because you completely disagree with him.

no one is trying to shut anyone up he stated his opinion i stated mine neather is fact so please stop trying to shut people up cause you completely disagree with them.

[DrakeWurrum]

ok i admit i worded that wrong and thats why i reworded it in a reply to him. if what he wants isn't there he may come to hate the game and therefor the game would not be good for him is what i mean.

I don't think he will hate the game. It happens all the time that I'll be playing, like... WoW and think "Damn, I wish I had <insert X> from that game over there."
Like the character customization from Skyrim or something. That's all he's doing. No need to pounce. No harm done here folks. :O


Arena Net will not listen to people like this and go "Okay, we'll add tanks and healers." because they have already accounted, as I said in my earlier posts, for this sort of people. They've worked REALLY hard to help people who like to tank and HATE damage dealing to have playstyles they can enjoy, and the same for healers. I think they've done a good job, it's just a matter of people figuring out how it works in GW2.

[Fencers]

Lots of bad posts in this thread. A real shame, or rather-- shameful.

[AdrianCC100]

I don't think he will hate the game. It happens all the time that I'll be playing, like... WoW and think "Damn, I wish I had <insert X> from that game over there."
Like the character customization from Skyrim or something. That's all he's doing. No need to pounce. No harm done here folks. :O


Arena Net will not listen to people like this and go "Okay, we'll add tanks and healers." because they have already accounted, as I said in my earlier posts, for this sort of people. They've worked REALLY hard to help people who like to tank and HATE damage dealing to have playstyles they can enjoy, and the same for healers. I think they've done a good job, it's just a matter of people figuring out how it works in GW2.

Pretty much this.


Edit: GASP I broked the forums! lol

[lmenvs]

As a healer from World of Warcraft, I can tell you I welcome this change entirely. No longer am I just a turret until there's some fire under me, I actually get to run around and beat shit up and give people boons and zip around and help people up, which if you invest the right traits in can give people even more boons. I honestly don't really know how threat works in Guild Wars 2, and I guess it could be less of a welcome change for tanks who have come from holy trinity games. I know my man's gonna be pulling his hair out the first few weeks when he realizes that the big nasties aren't going to spend the entire time wailing on him.

But even then, it's never made logical sense to me why some monster with any amount of intelligence would be attacking the guy in a whole bunch of armor that isn't doing much along the lines of the stabbing part. Luckily I don't think healing automatically makes you priority, either, but at least the mobs don't have nearly as much tunnel vision as other games.

All in all, and in conclusion, I think GW2 is a welcome change, and I think once you get used to it and all the freedoms and the new challenges that come into combat in this game, you'll wish that you'd been playing with a system like this for much longer.

As a side note though, I'm really going to miss spending my healing sessions spent reading MMO-Champion. Namely all those awesome threads that got me curious about this game in particular. :P

[Repefe]

As it is it will be hard not to get into situation where some classes are prefered for some roles. Giving them "pure" specs would make the situation worse. For GW2 you should replace the terms tank and healer with terms bruiser and support. It will make more sense that way.

[Merendel]

I'm sure ArenaNet could have come up with a creative way to make it work.

The trinity is really an all or nothing system, you either implament it or you dont. If you try to split the differance no mater how you balance it one or the other will become a clear winner at which point there is no choice. IF tank/heal/3dps is better than 5 dps then it would be supid to run with 5 dps, the reverse is also true, at which point you just wasted a ton of design time to give the players a choice that is no choice at all.

Not going to throw out the dreaded line here as you clearly do like the game. However if someone really wants a trinity system there are plenty of other AAA MMO's out there with the trinity system where as GW2 is one of the rare few of that quality level breaking the mold. I personaly view the trinity system as a hammer, it makes every problem look like a nail. Unfortunatly so many games have been peddeling that hammer for so long that people seem to forget other tools exist and that leads to threads like this were your basicly saying "This game would be great if it had hammers"

[Bacon of Light]

In the world of Tyria, there is no class system but professions.

I don't want the social distinction between upper class (aka tank/healer) and the lower class (aka DPS). I want professions that stand true to the ideas of liberty and equality.

Look at the other worlds, atrocities to players have been harbored, sanctity of freedom has been violated, and fairness of play has been downtrodden, all in the name of the holy trinity.

The holism of control/support/damage in GW2 detaches the social weigh from professions, so when choosing what profession to play, players aren't born into a social class.

If one truly values liberty and equality, please do not support the social bane that is the holy trinity.

[Zuzmaw]

Was lurking and saw this thread.
Created an account just to say this game is not for you, and it never will be.

[vilhelm1992]

I politely disagree with you OP, having the option for a trinity would end up squashing out just being able to get 5 people together, people will do it purely for numbers regardless of how fun it is, and without having to actively dodge and avoid bosses abilities (which is how every profession "tanks") and then having someone sitting there whacking out heals, it'll make it far too simplistic in my opinion and people will want things to scale up so people can actually die, and then it'll kill any groups that didnt pick this "option" to be tank or healer.

Before you know it the only way to run a dungeon will be to get tank healer and DPS, and make it like every other MMO
the fact that everyone is accountable for their own survival makes for a much more entertaining game, yes everyone can help, but when you die it's you fault
not because some tank was too squishy and couldn't hold ago, not because some healer couldn't react fast enough, its because you didnt get out of the way fast enough or you didnt time your heal well enough.

You do have the option to be MORE supportive/tanky but not to the point where you can just sit there and soak up damage, it makes everyone have to do their part and makes for a much more entertaining game.

Not only does it go completely against what Anet want for this game i believe it would also destroy this game, i'm happy you're looking forward to it and i think if you thought about it for a while you'll know that having "pure" tanks and healers is a bad move in a game like this.

This is coming from a guy who played as a tank for 6 years or so in wow and liked it, every tank i've ever talked to talks about how much Physically stopping/blocking/avoiding attacks, physically jumping infront of someone to save them, physically putting a shield up around someone is a much more fun idea of "tanking"

PS. if any of that sounded aggressive i apologies it's just my opinion on the matter, i know where you're coming from though

[solidsheep]

...so much negativity and narrow minded thinking...
I played a very tanky style of necro. I built around having heavy defensive tools and a lot of control over my enemy. YES you will not be the same type tank you were in WOW or Rift, but you can come close if you understand the game mechanics and play with in them.

[draykorinee]

The thing is hes talking about a pure healer or a pure tank, maybe its the wording but thats not something the community of GW2 would want, its an individual desire that isnt shared by many people afaik. From what I've seen Anet have managed to balance it okay, its not perfect but if you suddenly give classes the option to sepcialise then they will be mandatory for every run, which defeats the design purpose.

I personally am not sold on the idea of a lack of trinity, I do not think its something that will change how we play MMOs in general, but for this specific game it will hopefully work well.

[Deleted]

First of all you were pretty much asking to get trolled by saying "in before people telling me GW2 isn't for me". Then you almost only respond to people saying that it isn't for you. I would just ignore them if I were you.

As for your suggestion I think it would be to much of a balance problem and even though I wasn't to happy when I first heard that there will be no healers/tanks in GW2 I am glad now that there won't be any. Takes away so much hassle to find tanks/healers just in order to do something.