From my knowledge HoW is ranked at highest priority, and if it can be nearly-spammed without wasting 2 GCD's wouldn't that be beneficial?
Only until my OmniCC can actually conjure a timer cooldown on its window pane, I nearly-spam it because i find that using any other spell during that GCD (Unless its a raid cooldown/Execution Sentence/HP ability) proves to be a DPS loss. CS does not nearly come in close comparison to HoW's damage; Exorcism does, but with a substantial enough mastery rating, HoW eventually will pull ahead. I do occasionally use Exo during SW when it's up, but when i can get enough mastery to make waiting an extra half-GCD to use HoW again beneficial, I will.
With bloodlust and a haste (on-use or proc trinket) i find myself nearly-spamming it since i reach a ~2 second CD on HoW. Maybe even less. I currently have 18.5% passive haste; IBW adds about 5%, then BL with 30%.
If you are using only HoW at a near 2 second CD during SancWrath you are wasting 50% of your globals. Please don't suggest to people that this is a good plan.
You can only use 1 attack per 1 second max anyway, so if you have a choice between
a) 0 - HoW, 1.86 HoW, 3.71 HoW, 5.56 HoW, 7.42 HoW, 8.42 TV, 9.42 HoW, 11.28 HoW, 13.14 HoW, 14.14 TV, 15.14 HoW, 17 HoW, 18.86 HoW, 19.86 TV, 20.86 HoW, 22.72 HoW, 24.58 HoW, 25.58 TV, 26.68 HoW, 28.54 HoW, 29.54 TV
b) 0 - HoW, 1 Exo, 2 HoW, 3 J, 4 HoW, 5 TV, 6 HoW, 7 J, 8 HoW, 9 TV, 10 HoW, 11 Exo, 12 HoW, 13 TV, 14 HoW, 15 J, 16 HoW, 17 TV, 18 HoW, 19 J, 20 HoW, 21 TV, 22 HoW, 23 Exo, 24 HoW, 25 TV, 26 HoW, 27 J, 28 HoW, 29 TV, 30 HoW
In a) (what you suggest) you have used 16 HoW and 5 TV under SW. In b) (what I suggest) you have used 16 HoW, 3 Exo, 5 J and 7 TV in 9 seconds. You just lost 3 Exo, 5 J, and 2 TV because the additional 0.14 seconds you are avoiding delaying HoW per use only at the cost of using every global gives you 1 extra HoW over a 30 second time period, which is lost anyway from having to pause to dump holy power with TV.
To be fair that last HoW in b) is very dependant on your latency to get off. So we'll call it gaining 1 HoW for the cost of 3 Exo, 5 J, 2 TV. Numbers from my last Spirit Kings kill put that as a gain of 145k from the HoW and a loss of 204k from the Exos, 265k from the Js, and 269k from the TVs. Net loss of 593k over the course of each cast of SW ignoring things like SoT or fitting a cast of Execution Sentence in (at cost of a J in b) but at cost of an HoW in a). Losing 593k every 180 seconds is a 3300 dps loss from this alone.
Also worth noting that your IBW trinket is doing very little for you here - your passive haste and BL put you over the 50% haste soft cap alone, so all IBW is doing is increasing auto attacks and Censure.
Last edited by Sturmcantor; 2012-11-19 at 07:10 AM.
So at 2pc does HA become better than SW until 4pc? I had quite a dip in haste when I got the 2pc and it seems as if HA pushes ahead of SW now. Thoughts?
I have a quick question about cooldowns : I'm using SW and here's my usual opener ( at pull ) : Exo-J-CS-Inq+Guardian+Wings-HoW-filler-HoW-filler-HoW-TV-HoW-filler-HoW-ES(if ~2s left on DMC trinket proc, else filler)-HoW-TV-HoW-etc....
This okay ? With fitting an ES in place of a filler so it benefits from as many stacks of Guardian as possible + pot + DMC trinket proc ?
Also since I use a Jade Figurine in there should I delay it until the second 15 seconds of AW ?
Last edited by Floross; 2012-11-19 at 07:21 PM.
"...and you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
We just got our first wind lord heroic kill and I kinda wrecked dps both on our guild meter and ret only dps :P Landed on 420k in the end, 4piece is just total destruction atm x_x
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gl...30&e=8553#Rikh - Vengeance showing it's glory as usual aswell :P
This fight just shows how overpowered our burst is in comparison to any other class.
It will also be heavily based on pushes/ delays / 3-4 recks/ and of course if it's pushed after the icd has been ticking on trinkets so they are up during it.
It may be... impossible? harder atleast for rets to overtake parses created now because faster kills + 4 set nerf will most certainly cost you wings during reck's. Currently atleast for our attempts and calling delay on first 2nd wave. Everything lined up with rets/mages
Also Rikh. Correct me if I'm wrong but i think mastery > haste on wind lord. Confirm or deny?
I bet mastery wins. Sadly you cannot sim it you can only test because of the sheer burst associated with the phase.
Last edited by anaxie; 2012-11-20 at 02:55 PM.
Permanently retired MMO player. Freedom is nice.
I may have been over-exaggerating slightly when i said "nearly-spam"; i didn't mean it literally, but I was trying to put the emphasis on using HoW as much as possible during SW.
Edit: I take back what i said in the second comment. Was concentrating on something else while writing, and dint realize how stupid it was.
Last edited by Saferis; 2012-11-21 at 12:28 AM.
There is no special emphasis on using HoW during SW. It's top priority builder outside of SW and top priority builder inside SW.
It just irritates me how they now decided to drop the 4 piece in the upcoming patch; 1 min 35 sec cd wings was what i was looking forward to.
Anaxie, there's one question I thought I'd ask: At what percent haste do we stop gemming for haste>str? I know its probably something above 20% or so, but does it also vary upon your current str rating? (For example, if someone had full BiS but 18% haste)
Last edited by Saferis; 2012-11-21 at 02:52 AM.
noob question, whats better normal sha of fear axe with the 500 str gem in it, or heroic starshatter?
There is no set % haste to stop gemming haste at - it depends on your strength/weapon/trinkets/other secondaries.
Hey guys, I've been struggling over whether or not to swap jc for engineer. One site I've read says that is an equivalent str boost to blacksmithing and jewelcrafting, but I've heard claims that it is a large dps increase to go engineer, due to its dc aligning perfect to ES.
I tried to sim the difference, but I only get errors when I try. Does anyone have some numbers for the difference?
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Question, I currently have Heroic Starshatter and Normal Shin'Ka, Execution of Dominion WITH Legendary Gem, is Heroic Starshatter still better than Normal Sha of Fear weapon even with a gem?
Cruel punishment, writing that, is.