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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Hammer also overtakes Crusader Strike at 2 targets...

    Divine Storm probably needs a buff to 120-125% weapon damage. They could go higher if necessary.

    Back in MoP Beta DS was 120% I think but before going live they nerfed it at excuse ret AoE was to strong compared to other classes. I hope they'll go back on their word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicy View Post
    So we won't see you whine nonstop here after you're done with your alt? Awesome!
    atleast I post on as many forums as possible with ideas and try to make a change unless some who sits on their ass and waits for a miracle.
    And no, I'm never gonna quit my paladin. It's a matter of keeping a character that's bringing something to the raid so I can get more boss pulls during progress, atm I can see 3 fights where melee isn't terrible in T15 but ret is still gonna be the least wanted with the exception of the bird boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Hammer also overtakes Crusader Strike at 2 targets...
    I swear I hear GC talking here.. It's like you've never used that skill. Come on, go and find 2 mobs in the world and use that crap HotR and wait for their hp to drop.. You'll need a year until they do and that's when you can hit the target.. You can see the same in any raid, you barely do any damage on those 2 mobs while hunters, warlocks, mages etc are kings.

    With Consecration and Holy Wrath gone from retribution, AoE needs damage increases or new/old abilites. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    I swear I hear GC talking here.. It's like you've never used that skill. Come on, go and find 2 mobs in the world and use that crap HotR and wait for their hp to drop.. You'll need a year until they do and that's when you can hit the target.. You can see the same in any raid, you barely do any damage on those 2 mobs while hunters, warlocks, mages etc are kings.

    With Consecration and Holy Wrath gone from retribution, AoE needs damage increases or new/old abilites. Period.
    Holy Wrath wasn't an aoe attack it was a meteor. A weak meteor

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Holy Wrath wasn't an aoe attack it was a meteor. A weak meteor
    But it was something.. More than we have now. And its usefulness consisted more in the stun for undead, demons etc..
    Aren't you frustrated by the tools lost and nothing given back? Light's Hammer doesn't count for the purpose of this argument.. Often I find myself, in the middle of the adds using single-target abilities and I get so pissed off by the AoE toolkits other specs have..
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    Well, if you look on aoe fights or trash pulls most specs have 1 ability doing 60% of their aoe, rets have 15-25% on 3-4 abilities so we're pressing more combinations for less performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Well, if you look on aoe fights or trash pulls most specs have 1 ability doing 60% of their aoe, rets have 15-25% on 3-4 abilities so we're pressing more combinations for less performance.
    Well, yeah, that's the general feeling. We have HotR, Exorcism (glyphed), DS and LH (talented). But LH cuts into the single target damage.
    Last edited by SirRaven; 2013-02-24 at 02:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    But it was something.. More than we have now. And its usefulness consisted more in the stun for undead, demons etc..
    Aren't you frustrated by the tools lost and nothing given back? Light's Hammer doesn't count for the purpose of this argument.. Often I find myself, in the middle of the adds using single-target abilities and I get so pissed off by the AoE toolkits other specs have..
    Eh, didn't it just split its damage on multiple targets? In other words completely useless other than for the glyph stun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    Eh, didn't it just split its damage on multiple targets? In other words completely useless other than for the glyph stun.
    It had stun even without glyph. Glyph was for elementals and dragonkins, afaik.
    Anyway, damage/numbers can be changed, that's not the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    It had stun even without glyph. Glyph was for elementals and dragonkins, afaik.
    Anyway, damage/numbers can be changed, that's not the issue.
    It stunned Undead w/o the glpyh.

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    After i read gc's answer on this question:"You know, youre giving WW an obscene buff in utility all around yet you give ret some small gimmick buffs. We need massive aid."
    answer :There are like 5x as many Ret paladins as all monks put together.

    Basically they wont buff ret paladins because there are to many rets in their eyes so thats why we are bad at sustained.. its on purpose... if u don't believe me heres the Source

    its time to reroll..

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    Buff low pop classes so FOTM people reroll, thus evening the class distribution? Genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Buff low pop classes so FOTM people reroll, thus evening the class distribution? Genius.
    i guess so i dont know to laugh or cry.. maybe expac should be alt friendly ..

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    At first it sounds stupid since it is ridiculous to motivate players towards a certain class just because they had the idea to introduce it, so they want it used, but at second thought maybe rets do need depopulation since I tend to believe that part of the problem is the amount of people playing the class/spec which inevitably leads to less effort into improving it.

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    Hey , i was wondering if the gear without a drop source on the new raid are trash loots or arent going to be implemented ?

    GC:Normal drops trash loot (and there is no heroic trash). In LFR, you can get those pieces from the bags that only have gold today.
    So does this mean, that this nice looking sword named "Greatsword of Frozen Hells" won't make it to any loot table any we are stuck again between two crit-weapons if we are raiding heroic? This just sucks balls ...

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    Requital already migrated towards monk so looks like it's working as intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskaron View Post
    So does this mean, that this nice looking sword named "Greatsword of Frozen Hells" won't make it to any loot table any we are stuck again between two crit-weapons if we are raiding heroic? This just sucks balls ...
    sword OR the option to mog a polearm.
    Worst of all we are stuck with a hit/crit wpn with blue socket or a ... FINAL BOSS weapon as per usual.

    The 2 imo strong alternatives with yellow sockets got the stick. Hilarious since casters get over 10 heroic drop weapons and hunters alone get 3 ranged weapons for ONE class.

    Also the most important part. With the popularity of DKS and Warriors in raids. Have fun trying to get a TF version of any of those 2handers.

    Most realistic scenario? You're gonna see a TF heroic hit sword off troll council and you are going to have to suck it up and use it.
    This does of course force our trinket choices.

    We have no choices but to use Primordius's rage and the obvious Zandalar trinket. Look on bright side rets have some beast proccing abilities. Maybe we will beable to keep the 8k stack of strength up on primordius.

    8K str passive + 8k proc + guardians = mega hammer of wraths. I have no doubt HoW will win. Especially since it does mega damage along + the 2 set nukes it's power and bumps it's hand of light up 12% from confirmed and intended double dipping.

    HoW is better then TV now with it hitting 316% wpn damage with a 275% drop that MAY be compensated with a 30k top end weapon. Normal hammers should still hit harder then NoN holy tvs. Since CS is still a 3.4-3.6 sec CD and you can basically Hammer *CS *hammer * TV * Hammer * CS * hammer * TV with a very easily reachable 25% haste level < we should reach 30% or close this tier> SW is going to be an obvious winner. Another huge benefit is itemization isn't actually terrible still working out math but we should see similar levels.... Mastery may not move much but haste should bump alot and crit should jump several %. Keep in mind crit and mastery are close, but since they are close more consistent results <mastery> is prefered but crit is not a dead stat, not like haste was in Cataclysm.

    Haste will get a shitton better in value this coming patch RPPM trinkets will have a higher proc chance with haste as confirmed by blues. Not only this but Capacitate which was simmed to be 7K+ dps for ret < i bet on live it's more because of rets natural scaling and proc mechanics/ value of haste.> Anyhow keep cool and it shouldn't be end of world. It hurts us ALOT on TF heroic wpn chance having so few but atleast we don't only have final boss as a weapon souce. Which im fucking sick of frankly.

    By weapon source I of course mean a drasticly powerful weapon is off final boss.

    T11 had a 3.8 ashkandi off Nef, T12 had the awesome 5-10% drop chance sulfuras for H rag, Madness had nerfalak, T14... we had to dig through 16 bosses to even use a sha gem -_-.

    T15 they are same top end which is always the largest factor. The horrible part about loot I'm sure everyone will hate in their own way is the "fun" TF mechanic.

    That being said about the weapon options. The BIS list is going to be subject to the "TF" system. Since it's forced upon us unless something is changed you should be charming troll council weekly since the kill should be within the first 1-2 week and praying for the RNG gods embrace. Horridon may become a perma charm do holding the Zandalar str proc trinket. Getting swapped to a new tier set because of the "new T14 4set" should of course be a priority so maybe charm until the set is entirely swapped.

    Anyhow the point I was making. The BiS list is going to be built with the troll sword in mind since you are likely to see a TF heroic version of it before... anything.... If that happens you can be sure u will not take a TF weapon from anyone else in the guild + I seriously doubt u will waste 1500 more VP upgrading extra weapons if the system returns 2-3 months into tier in 5.3 as they planned.
    Last edited by anaxie; 2013-02-25 at 12:02 AM.

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    Well to be fair TG is getting gutted for the most part, so most warriors will be SMF. However, it looks like 2 handed will be the way to go for frost DK, so....yeah. Although warriors will probably still want 2 handers for AoE fights.

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    Before you go all emo over that GC tweet maybe you should realize that it was in regards to PvP. Monks are getting PvP utility this patch, not raid utility. But by all means go ahead and reroll!

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    This is what I'm looking at for BIS. It's modeled around human, so modify it as necessary.

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/profile=35193328

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Well to be fair TG is getting gutted for the most part, so most warriors will be SMF. However, it looks like 2 handed will be the way to go for frost DK, so....yeah. Although warriors will probably still want 2 handers for AoE fights.
    -25% execute guts SMF since that was the best part of SMF so I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Footsz View Post
    This is what I'm looking at for BIS. It's modeled around human, so modify it as necessary.

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/profile=35193328
    ur gonna have to change weapon for reasons I just posted about above.

    Also if your doing try to do neutral race and profession. Red gems look so wrong

    Lastly and I think I mentioned this already. DO NOT PUT RA-DEN ITEMS IN THE BIS LIST.

    #1 he is late tier and can't be killed on Normal
    #2 shit he has like the belt LOL is garbage vs a TF Jin'rhok belt <hey 1st boss> which is basically Blade lord 2.0 belt.
    #3 Ra-dens haste ring is about the only likely item we are guaranteed to see / use from his loot table. However the hit/crit ring HAS to be considered since.... Ra-den has a 50 item loot table.

    This bis list is YES going to be complex and have alot of exceptions. and YES posting here for item comparisons should be helpful and encouraged. This TF system is going to be a big headache for everyone raiding.
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