1. #2041
    Quote Originally Posted by dennisdkramer View Post
    I am still feeling like I do more damage with normal Lei Shen than with normal Spark. The fact that it doesn't line up with CDs virtually ever explains its lackluster performance as far as I can tell. If anyone is feeling like they're getting good use out of it, how? Also, is there any definitive math on the new trinkets? To be honest, I'm not sure that I trust the current sim profile for them.
    this is because it isnt lining up with your initial cooldowns. Lei shen's will but aside from that, it doesnt line up with subsequent CDs any better than spark. My suggestion is to get either the valor trinket or a Ji-kun's to be active with your CDs on pull.

    Does anyone know if ji-kun's or the valor trinket typically will proc at the pull?

  2. #2042
    Quote Originally Posted by dennisdkramer View Post
    I am still feeling like I do more damage with normal Lei Shen than with normal Spark. The fact that it doesn't line up with CDs virtually ever explains its lackluster performance as far as I can tell. If anyone is feeling like they're getting good use out of it, how? Also, is there any definitive math on the new trinkets? To be honest, I'm not sure that I trust the current sim profile for them.
    Are you tracking procs/stacks? You can generally get some big ES casts with it. I feel like it's a great trinket outside of the pull.

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    Ye I agree with Revvo, apart from pull it's a really good trinket and the stats on it is attractive unlike some of the other trinkets available. In raids I'm at 42% haste and I get 10 stacks every 70-90 seconds outside of heroism (on average), the annoying thing is the fact that it is relativly random and thus making it harder to use. If you then throw on Ji-Kun trinket (which I don't have atm) it can become a hard task to get a full use of our abilities BUT if you manage to use them to their potential the reward should produce some truly godly numbers! atleast compared to other rets, I've given up trying to compete with other classes this tier.

  4. #2044
    This Greatsword of the Frozen Hells shows on Wowhead that it only drops in 25man, is this true and im fucked or is this not true and i should spend my Charm on every Boss from now on to maybe get one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rykololz View Post
    This Greatsword of the Frozen Hells shows on Wowhead that it only drops in 25man, is this true and im fucked or is this not true and i should spend my Charm on every Boss from now on to maybe get one..
    I am 99% sure that any and all boss items are attainable both in 10 and 25 player difficulty.
    Because I want to say this every single day but don't want it to get a drag:
    1) The ingame store will only sell timesaver items. It won't affect balance.
    2) No, getting to 100 in half the time isn't pay2win. raids don't start until the second week, everyone has time to get there.
    4) getting charms faster is also not pay2win. getting those is easy, but not everyone has the time or want for dailies.

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    welcome back rikh, you gonna start streaming regularly again?

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    So its a waste of Vp if u pick brutal talisman , no luck yet from horridon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vigilanti View Post
    welcome back rikh, you gonna start streaming regularly again?
    Yeah I will start streaming regularly again once the progression race is over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikhx View Post
    Yeah I will start streaming regularly again once the progression race is over
    Glad to hear it, I missed this stream'

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  10. #2050
    Quote Originally Posted by DWguild View Post
    this is because it isnt lining up with your initial cooldowns. Lei shen's will but aside from that, it doesnt line up with subsequent CDs any better than spark. My suggestion is to get either the valor trinket or a Ji-kun's to be active with your CDs on pull.

    Does anyone know if ji-kun's or the valor trinket typically will proc at the pull?
    I tend to disagree with that - although it has an ICD of 45s, on a lot of fights downtime will cause it to proc about every minute. Spark's proc is completely unpredictable, and even if you see that its at 8 stacks, you never know whether it'll get to 10 in 5 more seconds (totally worth holding CDs) or 30 (often not worth doing so). Obviously Spark's RNG swings to much higher dps, but consistent (and predictable) dps is far more important in my experience. I'd love to use the valor trinket but I'm already over expertise cap and unable to reforge lower. Ji'kun's hasn't dropped but even it won't be very strong for me personally given the reason below.

    The valor trinket procs quite quickly as far as I'm aware.

    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Are you tracking procs/stacks? You can generally get some big ES casts with it. I feel like it's a great trinket outside of the pull.
    I tend to use holy prism and selfless healer to help heal, since I am the 3rd healer in our group normally and the healing can be strained when I'm ret.

  11. #2051
    So whats the best usage of Execution Sentence under the Ji-kun trinket?
    So far ive been using ES just after poping wings, and after getting the jikun trinket im wondering if its worth delaying ES and try to cast it within the last 2 seconds of the buff?

  12. #2052
    Quote Originally Posted by Freppi View Post
    So whats the best usage of Execution Sentence under the Ji-kun trinket?
    So far ive been using ES just after poping wings, and after getting the jikun trinket im wondering if its worth delaying ES and try to cast it within the last 2 seconds of the buff?
    Of course that's what you should do, especially when you have Guardian and a Potion on.

  13. #2053
    anyone know if there is a gear comparison thread somewhere that shows the avg dps increase from 5.1 to 5.2 gear based on slot. Would love to know how 5.1 trinkets hold up against normal/heroic 5.2 trinkets in particular

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    It's clunky, more or less all of the 5.2 trinkets we want scale with haste which the 5.0/5.1 trinkets don't. Atm I'm at 44% haste fully raid buffed, if estimates are correct we'll go up to 50% raid buffed. 50% haste vs 30% haste is going to matter a lot with the 5.2 trinkets, if you don't got a lot of haste I'd think the 5.0/5.1 trinkets are better but with gear you really should use the new trinkets.

  15. #2055
    Well posted this also on the eu forums but I also like a non-eu response (eu responses are also welcome )

    I wonder what my ret tier off-piece will be.
    I'm not the best ret paladin (just started serious with ret this tier) and got lucky with some coins last two weeks.
    Thinking about either legs or gloves Legplates of the Lightning Throne or Pathogenic Gauntlets.
    Not going for Pathogenic Gauntlets unless I get Greatsword of Frozen Hells or Bo-Ris, Horror in the Night.
    I already got too much hit I can't reforge anymore and can only replace my gems with haste - stamina instead of haste - hit without losing some socket bonuses

    thanks for the help!

    [EDIT] forgot armory link... which I can't post yet but its Fabulicious on EU-the Maelstrom.
    Last edited by Fabulicious; 2013-03-18 at 09:16 AM. Reason: armory

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    Pathogenic Gauntlets
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    I'd suggest you replace T14 shoulders with Tortos Shoulders, they don't have hit but they got a decent chunk of haste, if you can't get the gloves that is and you got T15 shoulders.
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  17. #2057
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    It's clunky, more or less all of the 5.2 trinkets we want scale with haste which the 5.0/5.1 trinkets don't. Atm I'm at 44% haste fully raid buffed, if estimates are correct we'll go up to 50% raid buffed. 50% haste vs 30% haste is going to matter a lot with the 5.2 trinkets, if you don't got a lot of haste I'd think the 5.0/5.1 trinkets are better but with gear you really should use the new trinkets.
    I should probably tell you that icy talons (and similar buffs) most likely doesn't factor into RPPM.

  18. #2058
    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    I should probably tell you that icy talons (and similar buffs) most likely doesn't factor into RPPM.
    This, it doesn't scale at all with attack speed increases, only with pure melee/spell haste whichever is highest for you.
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    Well okay, still haste is king and more haste = making RPPM trinkets better. So if you're really low on haste (like mostly T14 LFR gear or worse) the old trinkets still might be better up to a point where the RPPM trinkets activate quick enough?

  20. #2060
    Since the all the items with random enchants only has 1 random enchant, guessing that makes the bracers from Horridon better?

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