1. #2441
    So i still couldnt find proper answer for this (sorry if it was already answered somewhere and i missed it).
    Does our rotation changes in anyway with T15 4set? Do i always want to use my TV when its empowered? Like for example if i have empowered TV and im on 3 holy power and CS is off CD, do i want to pop the 3hp TV instead of CS?

  2. #2442
    I've been TVing at 3HP if my CS is off CD and 4pc is up so I don't potentially waste any future procs.
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  3. #2443
    I would use TV if you can get to 3 HP within the next 3 global cooldowns after so you dont lose any time waiting for CS to come back up. Plus in that Scenario you would just trade the chance of TV double proccing in the first TV with a chance that is happens for the next one.

    So basically if you will get exorcism or HoW of cooldown after the TV you should use it before the CS.

    An example of this would be: (with me just hitting 20% after the TV)

    CS(proc) - exo - judge - TV - CS - HoW - judge ...


    An example where I would use the CS before the TV:

    CS(proc) - exo - judge - CS - TV - judge - CS - TV

    If I had used the TV before the CS here I would not only have to wait for it to come back of cooldowns after my judgement I also would be using 2 CS before the next TV which just shifts the chance of double proccing to the next TV instead of the first one.
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  4. #2444
    Quote Originally Posted by Freppi View Post
    So i still couldnt find proper answer for this (sorry if it was already answered somewhere and i missed it).
    Does our rotation changes in anyway with T15 4set? Do i always want to use my TV when its empowered? Like for example if i have empowered TV and im on 3 holy power and CS is off CD, do i want to pop the 3hp TV instead of CS?
    Here you go:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    ... Rotation shouldn't change at all without cooldowns EXCEPT for 2 and maybe 3 targets (maybe 4 for the same reason as 3). Never use HOTR on 2 targets unless you got a Holy TV proc already and you're not at 5HP, and never use DS over Holy TV on 2 targets. Use DS on 2 targets only if you don't get a proc. DS still barely wins out on 3 targets, but if there's a high priority target, then Holy TV is more worth it anyway because the gain from Holy TV to DS on 3 targets isn't much, and from 3 to 4 is an okay gain but depending on how important that priority target is, Holy TV could win out on that factor alone over pure DPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Here you go:

    So what is the rotation for this tier. as so far with this 4set, im doing worse than previous tier. Its driving me insane

  6. #2446
    Are we still thinking that coining H megaera is the best chance at a shared loot weapon?

  7. #2447
    Fire the dev who did this tiers plate itemization, I'm almost at 12% hit.......... oh well, can't complain about the weapon dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbringer View Post
    Fire the dev who did this tiers plate itemization, I'm almost at 12% hit.......... oh well, can't complain about the weapon dps.
    You got "wrong": wep, gloves, boots, shoulders, head... Your gear isn't even close to something we'd call optimized. I'm 2 rating under hit cap and 2 rating over exp cap. If you took the 535 2h sword it's a increase over any non 535 wep despite the hit, yes there's "too much" hit/exp items but there's many options... In bis gear youll be around 70 rating over hitcap (iirc) which isn't bad...
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    have a HTF feather , H Spark , H rage.

    and a shit 522 wpn. atleast i can see trinkets for myself firsthand now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mexicanolol View Post
    So what is the rotation for this tier. as so far with this 4set, im doing worse than previous tier. Its driving me insane
    Imo it's all about micro managing the 4 set (and 2 set) if 4 set procs use it 1gcd before the next cs comes off cd, other than that follow normal "rotation" except exorcism which you'd want to delay by 5 seconds from the last one to keep the 2set up as much as possible. If you're having issues with trying to manage them just follow the rotation as if you didn't have 4set T15. Pretty sure it's going to hurt your dps more trying to watch for the things and fail at it, weak auras is your friend here for sure! T15 added 2visuals and one audio to my collection.

    Btw, hc primordius... 5 stacks of haste + hero... 180% haste I was laughing so hard ^^ 30s of heaven!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Imo it's all about micro managing the 4 set (and 2 set) if 4 set procs use it 1gcd before the next cs comes off cd, other than that follow normal "rotation" except exorcism which you'd want to delay by 5 seconds from the last one to keep the 2set up as much as possible. If you're having issues with trying to manage them just follow the rotation as if you didn't have 4set T15. Pretty sure it's going to hurt your dps more trying to watch for the things and fail at it, weak auras is your friend here for sure! T15 added 2visuals and one audio to my collection.
    Delaying exorcism is stupid because you can easily miss an Art of War proc opportunity by doing that. I can tell off-hand that it's not worth it, but do less DPS if you want.

  12. #2452
    Picked up a 541 Frozen Hells tonight. TV'ing for 1mil with everything up is pretty fun.
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    sorry to bug you all but looks to be the place to ask =D

    noticed my numbers going down compared to my guild (mind you we are still on normal trying to fill out our raid team) and am looking into what i can do to increase my dps, even if its only a fraction of a % (i would like to be min maxing the best i can especially with our dps being where it is as a ret)

    is there anything that i need to be changing in my rotation to get a little more damage like lining up stuff with trinket procs (how long to wait with what moves exc.) {Spark of Zandalar, Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun (both 522)} and any other tricks that you could point my way would be much appreciated.

    i have been using Holy Avenger for the burst but would Sanctified Wrath or Divine Purpose be more overall damage?

    is Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault worth the valor for me to get with having Spark of Zandalar, Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun (both 522) and still progressing on normal Durumu the Forgotten?

    i am currently specked into Sacred Shield and am doing by best to keep it up 100% of the time, would it be worth it going into Selfless Healer and then healing at a ???% HP with 3 stacks?

    is there any tips for specific fights that could help (like using this talent/glyph) other than the obvious Light's Hammer & Glyph of Mass Exorcism for AOE

    these are just some of the things that i can think of atm that might affect my dps. all criticism is most welcome and any tips that you know even the minutest dps increase would be much appreciated!

    hope to hear back soon =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bartuck View Post
    Picked up a 541 Frozen Hells tonight. TV'ing for 1mil with everything up is pretty fun.
    First 541 to drop is mine. Tanks, 2 SMF wars, and now a DK going DW since they all have 541 1hs. STill 0 2hs total for normal/ H.

    RNGGGGGGGGGG

    Also Paintpaul. Don't feel bad. Even I was dropping to sub 14th dps. This tier is hell 5.3 buffs can't come soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    First 541 to drop is mine. Tanks, 2 SMF wars, and now a DK going DW since they all have 541 1hs. STill 0 2hs total for normal/ H.

    RNGGGGGGGGGG

    Also Paintpaul. Don't feel bad. Even I was dropping to sub 14th dps. This tier is hell 5.3 buffs can't come soon enough.
    I was really surprised to see it drop tbh. We've had bad luck on 2h'ers so far and this tier is rough on a guild that only raids 3 nights a week. I actually built my set around a 528 Uroe with a possible 541 council sword eventually. Luckily I get to avoid a serious hit issue now :P.
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  16. #2456
    So whats the deal with the legendary gem? There are many complaints about it being bugged atm and not procing alot.
    Is it worth using it or should i wait for a fix first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bartuck View Post
    Picked up a 541 Frozen Hells tonight. TV'ing for 1mil with everything up is pretty fun.
    Please tell me that's on gimmick fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faesroll View Post
    Please tell me that's on gimmick fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
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    sorry to bug you all but looks to be the place to ask =D

    noticed my numbers going down compared to my guild (mind you we are still on normal trying to fill out our raid team) and am looking into what i can do to increase my dps, even if its only a fraction of a % (i would like to be min maxing the best i can especially with our dps being where it is as a ret)

    is there anything that i need to be changing in my rotation to get a little more damage like lining up stuff with trinket procs (how long to wait with what moves exc.) {Spark of Zandalar, Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun (both 522)} and any other tricks that you could point my way would be much appreciated.

    i have been using Holy Avenger for the burst but would Sanctified Wrath or Divine Purpose be more overall damage?

    is Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault worth the valor for me to get with having Spark of Zandalar, Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun (both 522) and still progressing on normal Durumu the Forgotten?

    i am currently specked into Sacred Shield and am doing by best to keep it up 100% of the time, would it be worth it going into Selfless Healer and then healing at a ???% HP with 3 stacks?

    is there any tips for specific fights that could help (like using this talent/glyph) other than the obvious Light's Hammer & Glyph of Mass Exorcism for AOE

    these are just some of the things that i can think of atm that might affect my dps. all criticism is most welcome and any tips that you know even the minutest dps increase would be much appreciated!

    hope to hear back soon =D
    -Paint
    I'd keep using Spark / Feather. Try to use ES when you have the max amount of procs up. Don't delay it TOO much or over the length of the fight it'll be a DPS loss.
    Using all those globals on Sacred Shield will definitely hurt your DPS. I run with Selfless Healer and just heal myself if it'll prevent my death or I have an open global.
    I think Sanctified Wrath is a DPS increase over HA. It's not a huge margin, but an increase is an increase.
    This tier is pretty easy to figure out when to blow your CDs. There are a few gimmick fights with pretty easy to notice burn phases. Try to line up your CDs with these and pop them as often as possible throughout the fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Delaying exorcism is stupid because you can easily miss an Art of War proc opportunity by doing that. I can tell off-hand that it's not worth it, but do less DPS if you want.
    I think having 6% more damage up more of the time is worth delaying a 60k (nonglyphed) Exorcism, get ONE 4set TV into that and you'll do 6% of whatever that TV + HoL hits for. In my case I noncrit well over 350k TV + HoL combined 2set increases that damage with something around 25-26k what you use the other 5 seconds on from Censure and such is just going to add it up. This gets multiplied during cds and if you got trinkets up and even more so if you're aoeing and have it glyphed, I've not gone insanely deep into testing it but just from looking on my own logs and see the average damage on holy damaging abilities go up the higher uptime I got on 2set and total damage going up because of that? HC Magaera we're fairly strong on cleaving the adds. Say you go Holy Avenger and you go to aoe the shit out of the adds. You start with Exorcism then Divine storm, then exor procs while the previous 2set debuff has 4+ seconds left at that point I'd do a HotR and DS before refreshing the 2set.

    It's what I've found going over my own logs, I don't know what makes you say what you say... I'm not going to say my way definitely is better because I haven't seen anywhere that shows data that proves otherwise, I'm going with my own logs as I said and I'm going to trust that more than what any spreadsheet says until it's tested in a full raid.
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