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    Quote Originally Posted by Jalpwn View Post
    How nice are the Haunted Steel Treads? I just learned the pattern and I'm debating whether it's worth the spirits. It's not truly BiS, but it is for quite awhile for me (my team is currently 8/12N).
    Heroic twins boots are very slightly better and there's going to be fair competition (in my guild at least) for the boots. I would save whatever loot order you have for the heroic thunderforged ones if I were you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicy View Post
    They're the best until you can get heroic boots from Twin Consorts.
    Sweet pic... i miss stargate so much!

    the boots are BIS till heroic Twin Consorts and the heroic boots are only slightly better so its definitely worth it especially if you have someone else in your raid that would benefit from them more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floross View Post
    I apologize if this has been mentioned earlier in the thread but with t15 4pc and SW'ed AW ElitistJerks suggests a rotation of : HoW-> CS -> HoW -> TV/Inq -> Rinse/Repeat. Is this correct ? Obviously no exo buffed TVs but it makes sense for maximum usage of AW.

    P.S. Though if I power up a TV with a CS and have to use Inq it seems it'll be better to replace CS with Exo for next filler rotation since TV is already buffed.

    So we ignore exo and just spam cs,how and tw during SW-ed AW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peking_Man View Post
    So we ignore exo and just spam cs,how and tw during SW-ed AW?

    Seems it is like that but i am not sure if the benefit of ignoring Exo is rng dependant on how 4set procs you ll get with CS spam.

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    So, is HA still viable to use as retri or should i think about swapping to SW/DP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouten View Post
    So, is HA still viable to use as retri or should i think about swapping to SW/DP?
    I'm using Holy Avenger on Magaera since I'm on the adds with another ret a dps monk + warlocks "passively" aoe them with rain of fire etc. The other ret doesn't use HA and I'm destroying him so... HA has it's use but it's very limited. Let's say we run into another "omfg special mob needs to die in 20seconds or you wipe" and it's really tight (think spine of deathwing) then it might be something to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    I'm using Holy Avenger on Magaera since I'm on the adds with another ret a dps monk + warlocks "passively" aoe them with rain of fire etc. The other ret doesn't use HA and I'm destroying him so... HA has it's use but it's very limited. Let's say we run into another "omfg special mob needs to die in 20seconds or you wipe" and it's really tight (think spine of deathwing) then it might be something to consider.
    I use HA myself. I hate the HoW spamming that SW is, it just feels wrong to me. part of the issue is that holy wrath for me is the furthest holy power button for me, and I can't change it without completely redesigning my keyboard setup. but another part is that I really enjoyed the playstyle that Zealotry added. and the graphic switch is also fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    I use HA myself. I hate the HoW spamming that SW is, it just feels wrong to me. part of the issue is that holy wrath for me is the furthest holy power button for me, and I can't change it without completely redesigning my keyboard setup. but another part is that I really enjoyed the playstyle that Zealotry added. and the graphic switch is also fun.
    This isn't about personal opinion on which you like more though, hes asking which one is better and it's SW unless for the reasons Huntingbear stated.
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    SW adds more damage done to your total (single target) than HA ever can over a full fight, HA wins at short burst... simple as that, like it or not isn't relevant to the question of what's "best".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    I use HA myself. I hate the HoW spamming that SW is, it just feels wrong to me. part of the issue is that holy wrath for me is the furthest holy power button for me, and I can't change it without completely redesigning my keyboard setup. but another part is that I really enjoyed the playstyle that Zealotry added. and the graphic switch is also fun.

    had same issues , liked HA more ...but on single target SW is the only way to go. HA is situational choice.

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    The "only way to go" my ass.

    The dps difference between HA and SW is negligible (~500 - 1000 dps if everything's perfect). I say go for personal preference, because it's not really going to matter. The difference is a drop in the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
    The "only way to go" my ass.

    The dps difference between HA and SW is negligible (~500 - 1000 dps if everything's perfect). I say go for personal preference, because it's not really going to matter. The difference is a drop in the ocean.
    When there's dps checks like Lei Shen heroic, 500-1000 dps is what could be the difference between a kill and a wipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
    The "only way to go" my ass.

    The dps difference between HA and SW is negligible (~500 - 1000 dps if everything's perfect). I say go for personal preference, because it's not really going to matter. The difference is a drop in the ocean.
    It's more like 2-3k actually. It's not insignificant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicy View Post
    When there's dps checks like Lei Shen heroic, 500-1000 dps is what could be the difference between a kill and a wipe.
    Averaged over 10000 tries you might be able to see that 500 - 1000 dps difference. In reality you may very well do more dps on a try where you use HA over SW because of hundreds of other variables coming in to play. Like how many 4p bonus TV crits you had during AW or trinkets for instance. That kind of RNG plays more part than what talent you pick if the difference is that small. So talent choice becomes more a matter of comforting your mind, knowing that you are set with what is "best" in theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
    The "only way to go" my ass.

    The dps difference between HA and SW is negligible (~500 - 1000 dps if everything's perfect). I say go for personal preference, because it's not really going to matter. The difference is a drop in the ocean.


    with same rng for both and being able to execute the rotation with same comfortability for both talents (as i said i was attached to Zealotry/ HA playstyle with TV spams and needed and still need some time to adjust to SW) then the SW becomes a noticeable dps increase on all single target fights , and for sure not only 500-1000.

    ...But there is ofcourse the situational use of each talent , if you want to do jinhrok pools with HA gl, if you want to do spam AOE with SW gl too.


    Also with current rng of the trinkets SW can offer an extra 10sec period of time where your trinkets can be up with obvious benefit.

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    Hey, kinda new with my ret pally. Im at ilvl 518 now, with my 2 piece t15. Never really used simcraft before, but read a guide today on it and tried it out.



    Got this for my stat weights, just wondering if I did everything right. From all the things ive read, mastery should be above crit. But with those stat weights and using them, wants me to lose like 6.25% mastery to gain about 3.50% crit.
    Just wondering if the stat weights of crit should be changing to that high at all for around my ilvl?

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    Crit sims above mastery, but in reality crit sucks. Simcraft should be taken with a grain of salt.

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    That or you can just reverse those 2 sets of numbers when reforging. That's pretty much what I've been doing for awhile now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2s2p View Post
    Hey, kinda new with my ret pally. Im at ilvl 518 now, with my 2 piece t15. Never really used simcraft before, but read a guide today on it and tried it out.



    Got this for my stat weights, just wondering if I did everything right. From all the things ive read, mastery should be above crit. But with those stat weights and using them, wants me to lose like 6.25% mastery to gain about 3.50% crit.
    Just wondering if the stat weights of crit should be changing to that high at all for around my ilvl?
    How many iterations is that? Because the errors displayed on those stats is massive. I recommend running it again with 50,000.

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    10,000 should be more then enough honestly. That looks like 1000 however just from the looks 50k is a bit much.


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