1. #2681
    Can you link that log? Are you using your average HoL? Or going into the expression editor and actually looking at it.

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  2. #2682
    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Can you link that log? Are you using your average HoL? Or going into the expression editor and actually looking at it.
    If he used average HoL it would be even more in favor of judge as long as he's not using Hotr.

  3. #2683
    Quote Originally Posted by Runewrath View Post
    If he used average HoL it would be even more in favor of judge as long as he's not using Hotr.
    If he used average HoL it would include TVs and HoW, which would skew the data....tremendously.

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  4. #2684
    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    If he used average HoL it would include TVs and HoW, which would skew the data....tremendously.
    Yes, making cs look stronger than it is... Therefore if it's barely better with TV's and HoW included its not going to be by itself.

  5. #2685
    Yeah, you're right. Heh, I'm tired. From looking at my personal logs, CS + HoL hits harder, but I have a lot of mastery and a high topend.

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    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=11730&e=12210

    I did not go by average HoL. I took the average CS hit (non-crit) and did the HoL calculations myself, this does of course open the possibility that my calculations were off(?).

    40558*0.40 = 16223, 0.40 being my % mastery in this case.
    16223*0.35 = 5678, 0.35 being Inquisition and 5% magic damage debuff.
    5678 + 16223 = 21901, final HoL damage value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardox View Post
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=11730&e=12210

    I did not go by average HoL. I took the average CS hit (non-crit) and did the HoL calculations myself, this does of course open the possibility that my calculations were off(?).

    40558*0.40 = 16223, 0.40 being my % mastery in this case.
    16223*0.35 = 5678, 0.35 being Inquisition and 5% magic damage debuff.
    5678 + 16223 = 21901, final HoL damage value.
    inquisition and magic damage debuff work multiplicative, not additive. so it's actually more like *1.365 than *1.35.

    edit: also, Anaxie did the math on judgement versus CS about 10 or so pages back. I thought the conclusion was that judgement was slightly more damage, but you preferenced CS outside cooldowns because of cooldown clashes. however, with the 40% chance of truck's verdict on CS, CS should be preferenced over judgement with T15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    inquisition and magic damage debuff work multiplicative, not additive. so it's actually more like *1.365 than *1.35.
    Did not know.

  9. #2689
    Just got Heroic 535 Featherzz and whilst Ret is my 2nd spec (and I can't wait to try it out)
    I was wondering what you think of it as a tanking trinket, considering it's hit (forged to haste) and Str. Procc?
    Compared to how crappy other "real" tank trinkets are this tier, I would pretty much use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lychnuchus View Post
    Just got Heroic 535 Featherzz and whilst Ret is my 2nd spec (and I can't wait to try it out)
    I was wondering what you think of it as a tanking trinket, considering it's hit (forged to haste) and Str. Procc?
    Compared to how crappy other "real" tank trinkets are this tier, I would pretty much use it.
    the problem with using an RPPM trinket for tanking is that it's unreliable. it could proc right as you get a decapitate on lei shen, or right when you're otherwise not able to tank. and feather is even worse in that respect in that it needs to stack to give most of its benefit, so you need it to proc around 10-15 seconds before you need it. and on top of that, it's a STR proc, which means an additional layer of RNG because it's basically an RNG stat. the minor survival bonus it gives through the extra AP (SS, ES) is negligible.

    as a tank, you want either reliable survival or on-demand survival. fortitude of the zandalar is basically a mini last stand. soul barrier gives a huge passive HP buff but has a meh use. rising winds is an extra boost during emergencies when you really need it. i'd go with one or 2 of those.
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    4) getting charms faster is also not pay2win. getting those is easy, but not everyone has the time or want for dailies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    the problem with using an RPPM trinket for tanking is that it's unreliable. it could proc right as you get a decapitate on lei shen, or right when you're otherwise not able to tank. and feather is even worse in that respect in that it needs to stack to give most of its benefit, so you need it to proc around 10-15 seconds before you need it. and on top of that, it's a STR proc, which means an additional layer of RNG because it's basically an RNG stat. the minor survival bonus it gives through the extra AP (SS, ES) is negligible.

    as a tank, you want either reliable survival or on-demand survival. fortitude of the zandalar is basically a mini last stand. soul barrier gives a huge passive HP buff but has a meh use. rising winds is an extra boost during emergencies when you really need it. i'd go with one or 2 of those.
    Yeah I'd go for it mostly because it gives me the Hit (or Haste) I need in a constant, reliable way, and cuz tank dps does matter more than ever now.
    And, as you stated, the hitpoints lei shen trinket has a terribly bad on-use, and I don't like either of the others for bad stats.
    Can't really find any hints on that topic in the net, so, yeah.
    Best leave it be and return to topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lychnuchus View Post
    Yeah I'd go for it mostly because it gives me the Hit (or Haste) I need in a constant, reliable way, and cuz tank dps does matter more than ever now.
    And, as you stated, the hitpoints lei shen trinket has a terribly bad on-use, and I don't like either of the others for bad stats.
    Can't really find any hints on that topic in the net, so, yeah.
    Best leave it be and return to topic.
    Most tanks use 1 stam trinket, 1 dps trinket. Your #1 choice should be the horridon dps trinket, 2nd best option is the feather. I've been using the feather myself as well and it works fine, would definitely prefer the horridon trinket though.

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    Basically what Torch said. If you are running 10man (where the tank input is alot more important from dps perspective), I would experiment given options to do so. You do have 2 hours to trade items between each other once getting em.

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    looks like 5.3 is still about a month out. God i hate Lei shien such an awful fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    looks like 5.3 is still about a month out. God i hate Lei shien such an awful fight.
    what's so awful about it? I think it's a really good end of raid encounter for a mid expansion tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    what's so awful about it? I think it's a really good end of raid encounter for a mid expansion tier.
    It's like reset kings except you have to kill the wall of adds and one person being retard for 1/10th of a second is going to cost you the kill.
    From what I've seen on streams etc at least :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    It's like reset kings except you have to kill the wall of adds and one person being retard for 1/10th of a second is going to cost you the kill.
    From what I've seen on streams etc at least :P
    If you haven't actually experienced the fight on heroic yet, you probably shouldn't comment about what it is like.

    Anyway its by far the most fun fight so far in MoP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juicy View Post
    If you haven't actually experienced the fight on heroic yet, you probably shouldn't comment about what it is like.

    Anyway its by far the most fun fight so far in MoP.
    You won't be saying that when you have retards failing to Helm of Command or other shit in intermissions after you've killed him several times already.. Overcharge happens and CL inc the next 2 sec HERPDERP lets stack before CL has been casted! But yes I agree, it was a nice fight, and was nicely made either way.

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    Ain't nobody got money fo dat.

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