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    So I got the cloak and it increased the value of haste dramatically for me. Went from ~3.26 to ~3.96. That strength helps a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    So I got the cloak and it increased the value of haste dramatically for me. Went from ~3.26 to ~3.96. That strength helps a lot.
    Lucky... I was at 10/12 after last week and only got the one guaranteed for this week... Going to take 9 weeks for me to get the cloak.
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    The RNG on the runestones is awful. I was one of the first in the guild to get the meta and i'll be one of the last to get the cloak. I wouldn't care so much but its worth about 12k dps and a huge upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charleslol View Post
    I agree. My point is that if Retribution becomes the dominant melee class and you want to bring 2-3 for each boss during hardcore progression, these guilds will not have trouble having players of other melee classes reroll and play Retribution at the highest level. Until that is the case, this is why you do not see many "top" Ret Paladins. Of course there are many great Retribution Paladins in other guilds, but I believe we were only talking about the very top end of guilds, such as top 10 world, etc.
    I agree, the "skill" of playing this game isn't about how much top ranks you get. Every class/spec is easy to play and only require effort to get experienced in it, "bring the player not the class" is kinda playing into this. Top guilds have what? 30-40 people on roster and each of those people probablly have experience in 3-4 classes with all the specs or at least general understandment of the spec so a switch isn't complicated to go through with for them, IF and only IF top guilds want a spec they have world class RAIDERS to put on that class/spec.

    This isn't to insult the top rets (whichever list you deem you "top" of) but you/we are playing a spec which is severely under represented at the top level of this game, chance is that there's at least 20 people who can play ret at the same level as you or even better.

    and can we put the debate about "skill" to rest? Numbers on meter is NOT = skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charleslol View Post
    Hi, Anaxie. Could you link me to your logs where you ranked in the top 5 this tier? I just want to compare buff uptimes, CD usage, etc.
    I'd also like to see these logs, for science of course

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    you guys. Anybody test trinkets on ptr yet to see how the CD reduction trinket works formula wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    I agree, the "skill" of playing this game isn't about how much top ranks you get. Every class/spec is easy to play and only require effort to get experienced in it, "bring the player not the class" is kinda playing into this. Top guilds have what? 30-40 people on roster and each of those people probablly have experience in 3-4 classes with all the specs or at least general understandment of the spec so a switch isn't complicated to go through with for them, IF and only IF top guilds want a spec they have world class RAIDERS to put on that class/spec.

    This isn't to insult the top rets (whichever list you deem you "top" of) but you/we are playing a spec which is severely under represented at the top level of this game, chance is that there's at least 20 people who can play ret at the same level as you or even better.

    and can we put the debate about "skill" to rest? Numbers on meter is NOT = skill.
    Said far more eloquently then I could. Thank you for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    you guys. Anybody test trinkets on ptr yet to see how the CD reduction trinket works formula wise?
    I would but I can't find them.. they're not on Flaskataur, Esq. yet, as far as I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    I would but I can't find them..
    Just like those logs! Also, if I recall Anaxie, you were arguing that numbers were all skill a few moons ago, while I was arguing otherwise. So put a sock in your mouth
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    543 Primordius or 549 Spark ? Other is 543 Feather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floross View Post
    543 Primordius or 549 Spark ? Other is 543 Feather.
    They're interchangeable. I use both personally. Feather is a must.

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    I, too, would like to see Anaxie's totally magnificent top 5 parses. It seems he knows a lot about the Ret Paladin class, I'd like to compare his parses with the other top 4 Rets. I'd search for them myself on World of Logs, but I think it's bugged because I don't see any on there, so I'm asking here instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spazzodin View Post
    Just like those logs! Also, if I recall Anaxie, you were arguing that numbers were all skill a few moons ago, while I was arguing otherwise. So put a sock in your mouth
    To an extent numbers are a show of skill. It's not pure RNG that I always rank high. Same story for Solsa/ Nelda / anyone else whos regularly high.

    Got rank #1 DA at time of this post so theres your top 5 if it matters so much.

    Now onto more important things. Solsacra told me the EQUIP trinkets you can only use 1 since the strength proc ID is shared. If it's a SoB haste formula for the CD reduction trinket we are better off taking passive ratings and maybe the Critical strike stacking trinket or keeping feather.

    This way we can go back to DP for TV/DS synergy spam next tier. Seems pretty good to me but we will see how trinkets / procs evolve over the patch. Weapon procs still unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seramore View Post
    I, too, would like to see Anaxie's totally magnificent top 5 parses. It seems he knows a lot about the Ret Paladin class, I'd like to compare his parses with the other top 4 Rets. I'd search for them myself on World of Logs, but I think it's bugged because I don't see any on there, so I'm asking here instead.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...e=12814#Anaxie DA
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...7&e=711#Anaxie Jin
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...&e=5870#Anaxie Ji

    Try to ignore CN/TW. Can we move on now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    They're interchangeable. I use both personally. Feather is a must.
    Can you give me an example of what type of fight spark shines over prim and vice versa ? I'm aware spark takes some time to get to 9 even with bloodlust/heroism and ~15k haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floross View Post
    Can you give me an example of what type of fight spark shines over prim and vice versa ? I'm aware spark takes some time to get to 9 even with bloodlust/heroism and ~15k haste.
    Primo trinket stacks pretty fast on any AoE fight from what I've found. I haven't had it all that long. Spark I like on Jin'Rok because I almost always get a proc on the first pool, however it can be argued that the haste is wasted since you'll be lusted for like 30% of the fight if your guild kills it fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Primo trinket stacks pretty fast on any AoE fight from what I've found. I haven't had it all that long. Spark I like on Jin'Rok because I almost always get a proc on the first pool, however it can be argued that the haste is wasted since you'll be lusted for like 30% of the fight if your guild kills it fast enough.
    Translation: it's not a magic trinket like Feather but you should get better results with Primo all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...&e=5870#Anaxie Ji
    The ji-kun fight is extremely situational. It really depends on how your guild handles the nests.
    I was allowed tonight to handle the buff and i /giggled when i saw some of these things coming to life:


    Bursted close to 2m dps while everything was up. #funtimes

    I am in full normal gear (with 1 hc trinket and 1 tf normal piece, aka shit gear).

    How do you manage to keep your activity % so high? Do you only do 1 nest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Primo trinket stacks pretty fast on any AoE fight from what I've found. I haven't had it all that long. Spark I like on Jin'Rok because I almost always get a proc on the first pool, however it can be argued that the haste is wasted since you'll be lusted for like 30% of the fight if your guild kills it fast enough.
    How often do you see it @ max stacks? Does it proc fast in single target fights? I need to get me one of those =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meanor View Post
    The ji-kun fight is extremely situational. It really depends on how your guild handles the nests.
    I was allowed tonight to handle the buff and i /giggled when i saw some of these things coming to life:


    Bursted close to 2m dps while everything was up. #funtimes

    I am in full normal gear (with 1 hc trinket and 1 tf normal piece, aka shit gear).

    How do you manage to keep your activity % so high? Do you only do 1 nest?



    How often do you see it @ max stacks? Does it proc fast in single target fights? I need to get me one of those =/
    I almost never see max stacks. I got it like a week ago now, and I've seen it maybe 3 times in various dungeons/raids, etc. However, you see at least one stacks fairly often, espeically during CDs, etc.

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    Grats on your parses tonight Anaxie. You finally put up some good numbers this tier. Anyone with a brain can go look at the public Incarnate logs and see that you struggle on almost every boss and that people like Solsacra and Bairdy have been putting up good numbers for the last 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meanor View Post
    The ji-kun fight is extremely situational. It really depends on how your guild handles the nests.
    I was allowed tonight to handle the buff and i /giggled when i saw some of these things coming to life:


    Bursted close to 2m dps while everything was up. #funtimes

    I am in full normal gear (with 1 hc trinket and 1 tf normal piece, aka shit gear).

    How do you manage to keep your activity % so high? Do you only do 1 nest?



    How often do you see it @ max stacks? Does it proc fast in single target fights? I need to get me one of those =/
    No I go to all nests. Just move faster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringerOfJustice View Post
    Grats on your parses tonight Anaxie. You finally put up some good numbers this tier. Anyone with a brain can go look at the public Incarnate logs and see that you struggle on almost every boss and that people like Solsacra and Bairdy have been putting up good numbers for the last 3 months.
    Someone is mad. Nice throwaway account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    I almost never see max stacks. I got it like a week ago now, and I've seen it maybe 3 times in various dungeons/raids, etc. However, you see at least one stacks fairly often, espeically during CDs, etc.
    You rarely see it at max stacks, true. but most of the time, it's at 1 or 2 stacks, and often at 3 stacks. that's why it's better than Spark. Spark is basically X STR on a 100 second CD for 20 seconds, so you basically got 1/5X on average. but primordius trinket nearly alway has 1/5X active. Spark is unreliable, the buff it gives could be up during CDs, or it could proc right before lei shen transition, to give an example.Primordius rarely has 5 stacks up, but it always has at least 1 stack up, and often more during BL and CDs.
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    1) The ingame store will only sell timesaver items. It won't affect balance.
    2) No, getting to 100 in half the time isn't pay2win. raids don't start until the second week, everyone has time to get there.
    4) getting charms faster is also not pay2win. getting those is easy, but not everyone has the time or want for dailies.

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