1. #3661
    Quote Originally Posted by Temperance Brennan View Post
    You rarely see it at max stacks, true. but most of the time, it's at 1 or 2 stacks, and often at 3 stacks. that's why it's better than Spark. Spark is basically X STR on a 100 second CD for 20 seconds, so you basically got 1/5X on average. but primordius trinket nearly alway has 1/5X active. Spark is unreliable, the buff it gives could be up during CDs, or it could proc right before lei shen transition, to give an example.Primordius rarely has 5 stacks up, but it always has at least 1 stack up, and often more during BL and CDs.
    It doesn't always have stacks up. If you look at logs, the buff by itself(1 stack or more) has about a 60% uptime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temperance Brennan View Post
    You rarely see it at max stacks, true. but most of the time, it's at 1 or 2 stacks, and often at 3 stacks. that's why it's better than Spark. Spark is basically X STR on a 100 second CD for 20 seconds, so you basically got 1/5X on average. but primordius trinket nearly alway has 1/5X active. Spark is unreliable, the buff it gives could be up during CDs, or it could proc right before lei shen transition, to give an example.Primordius rarely has 5 stacks up, but it always has at least 1 stack up, and often more during BL and CDs.
    Spark is reliable it just suffers from being useless on the pull. If it wasn't then we would have a different story.

  3. #3663
    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Spark is reliable it just suffers from being useless on the pull. If it wasn't then we would have a different story.
    This^
    That is the only reason I like spark on Jinrok. Pull trinket procs don't matter as much.

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    Going to extend this thread for 5.4 because I can. But what shall replace magnificent?
    Totally Awe-Inspiring? Breathtaking? Overwhelming?

    /ponder

    Was thinking of removing theorycraft from name so ppl don't run in here crying that half stuff midtier isn't serious. Prolly won't though they can just post comments while I sit here amused.

    Think at this point though THIS is the ret lounge. no?

    Hopefully the next build or 2 puts gear and stats out and the weapon procs/ trinket mechanics. My favorite part of the PTR
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  5. #3665
    Quote Originally Posted by BringerOfJustice View Post
    Grats on your parses tonight Anaxie. You finally put up some good numbers this tier. Anyone with a brain can go look at the public Incarnate logs and see that you struggle on almost every boss and that people like Solsacra and Bairdy have been putting up good numbers for the last 3 months.
    Bairdy isn't that good, only thing he had going for him this tier was gear.

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    Need to get back to trinket talk. Don't feed the haters, even though I'm so pleased to be the subject of the last few pages.
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  7. #3667
    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Going to extend this thread for 5.4 because I can. But what shall replace magnificent?
    Well, you're a blood elf now. One of us.
    So definitely fabulous.

  8. #3668
    I wanted to follow up on something that I believe Solscara posted a few pages back in regard to Haste / Mastery "Breakpoint" - I'm currently standing at about 16228 Haste, 38.88% Mastery (~540 ilvl with 549 Bo-Ris & Cloak, was lucky enough to obtain both just last week). I've run my sims and Haste is about .4 - .6 ahead of mastery, so at a glance it certainly seems a no brainer to keep that gemming/reforging 100% haste.

    Straight haste certainly seems to be the most popular choice up in the 540+ Ilvl range as I check out Anaxie, Rvvo, Bairdy, etc.'s setups - has anyone really seen any substantial difference / feel in a mastery build? The main reason I ask is that I'm typically at/near top DPS (obviously depending on fight, but at/near top amongst our melee group) but I feel like I can & should be doing more. Guild is still progressing so I know a portion of that ("lack" of dps) can be attributed to familiarity/comfort level with each boss. Would love some feedback - I was shocked to see the rankings Solscara was able to obtain in a mastery build.

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  9. #3669
    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Going to extend this thread for 5.4 because I can. But what shall replace magnificent?
    Totally Awe-Inspiring? Breathtaking? Overwhelming?

    /ponder

    Was thinking of removing theorycraft from name so ppl don't run in here crying that half stuff midtier isn't serious. Prolly won't though they can just post comments while I sit here amused.

    Think at this point though THIS is the ret lounge. no?

    Hopefully the next build or 2 puts gear and stats out and the weapon procs/ trinket mechanics. My favorite part of the PTR
    The only thing with that is that this tread is getting so large that is getting harder and harder to locate information in here. Even by using the search it takes a shit ton of time to find what are you looking for. If you do that, a table of contents of some-kind (links to individual posts) or a summary would be very nice.

  10. #3670
    I got that sweet jinrok ring yesterday lol, still haven't seen a shared wep drop. Still using tforged uroe at 548 ilvl man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meanor View Post
    The only thing with that is that this tread is getting so large that is getting harder and harder to locate information in here. Even by using the search it takes a shit ton of time to find what are you looking for. If you do that, a table of contents of some-kind (links to individual posts) or a summary would be very nice.
    I'd just start a new one. No point in an unwieldy behemoth where well over a hundred pages of content will be out of date.
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  12. #3672
    After like 12 weeks or something retarded I finally got a feather. Cya valor trinket

  13. #3673
    Still praying for a TF wep, tbh even a normal heroic uroe or shared weapon would go a long way atm, so much lost stats zzz.

  14. #3674
    Maybe I missed this somewhere in the post. but I just need to know this. During burst rotation we go How,CS, TV. ( unless I misunderstood forgive me). With the 2 piece set and exorcism increasing damage would that change the rotation a little, or is it still better not to use exorcism during burst phase. I know CS is a must because of the increase to Tv. Just not sure what to do with the Exorcism if anything. Please help a fellow paladin out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thete View Post
    I'd just start a new one. No point in an unwieldy behemoth where well over a hundred pages of content will be out of date.
    Anaxie's Totally Overwhelming?

    I'll just link in OP to patch lauch. Other then that what really needs to be looked through and read? My random observation's aren't all that important. Another huge portion will prolly be dedicated to the 3000 hit weapon we get as the only alternative prio to heroic garrosh Gorehowl and a random drop weapon all with TF combinations. Excuse me "Bloodforged" must stay then in first legion tier Felforged!!!!!!

    Atleast we can go into the patch with a little knowledge. If we see very few "drop source" weapons it may be time to bitch this tier wasn't exactly balanced on a 2H weapon drop PoV.

    Non drop source trinkets / weapons will obv be Random. unsourced belts/accessories obviously are going to be trash only with H equivalents on BMAH and not realistic to put into BIS list. Lets keeps this idea when items launch and bosses itemized.

    I'm sure someone will peep up rings, belts, ect. could be random loot too! But those are far easily swapped out compared to trinket data. Weapons prolly be a big deal because i BET we see unique procs on multiple class weapons to come. Get ready for some interesting weapons.

    Also by multiple i mean several 2H options with seperate procs. Garrosh prolly will EASILY have the BiS in corrupted Gorehowl sadly. I bet the axe even ends up as a slow weapon. AKA Ultra mega RNG for BiS weapon since THAT is the one that must TF.

    Pretty likely "launch" will go off with VP upgrades making normal mode drops 562 Ilvl and vastly superior.

    /end speculation
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  16. #3676
    Quote Originally Posted by will32 View Post
    Maybe I missed this somewhere in the post. but I just need to know this. During burst rotation we go How,CS, TV. ( unless I misunderstood forgive me). With the 2 piece set and exorcism increasing damage would that change the rotation a little, or is it still better not to use exorcism during burst phase. I know CS is a must because of the increase to Tv. Just not sure what to do with the Exorcism if anything. Please help a fellow paladin out.
    You either go with the risky HoW, CS, TV rotation, or the consistent HoW, Exo, TV rotation. CS can give you big burst if you get TV procs, but exo will give you consistent numbers. It's an RNG battle.

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  17. #3677
    Why not the HoW, Exo, Cs, then Tv? Or is that to much extra stuff because of the Cd of HoW?

  18. #3678
    With SW you get HoW > HPGen > HoW > TV > HoW > HPGen > HoW > TV.

  19. #3679
    Is 2/2 heroic blade lord ring better than the regular Primordius ring with a 2/2 upgrade if the hit is completely unused?? My other ring right now is the VP one and I am at 15k haste if that matters at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by will32 View Post
    Maybe I missed this somewhere in the post. but I just need to know this. During burst rotation we go How,CS, TV. ( unless I misunderstood forgive me). With the 2 piece set and exorcism increasing damage would that change the rotation a little, or is it still better not to use exorcism during burst phase. I know CS is a must because of the increase to Tv. Just not sure what to do with the Exorcism if anything. Please help a fellow paladin out.
    Primo is better. It has a socket and a viable color which dilutes the base hit ilvl budget of wasted stats since budget points are taken out for sockets.

    The non upgraded primo should BARELY beat it too.
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