1. #3901
    Just got a heroic Bo-Ris, opinions on it vs. heroic Uroe? I can't use all the expertise so that alone should make it worse.

    Also why am I still having hit/expertise problems? I feel like other top end rets are pretty close to 7.5% on both.
    Last edited by Torchbringer; 2013-07-14 at 07:28 PM.

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    Use haste/stam gems.
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  3. #3903
    Quote Originally Posted by Faesroll View Post
    Use haste/stam gems.
    My only gear differences from anaxie are neck/cloak/boots/ and ring , none of which have hit on them, yet I still have more hit than him. He uses hit/haste as well, not sure what i'm missing.

    Edit: I think it's because I have 4 hit/haste gems and he has 3 hit/haste due to my boots. That one gem alone would make up the difference.
    Last edited by Torchbringer; 2013-07-14 at 07:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temperance Brennan View Post
    using SoJ for 12 seconds is a gain when you can be 100% sure that censure will NOT fall off during the downtime, AND the extra SoT DoT outweighs the 2 lost globals from switching.
    I've been curious about this. I'm wondering if anyone actually does this, perfectly, and sees gains from it. Seems to me you'd have to be very on top of it to manage the swaps well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaling View Post
    I've been curious about this. I'm wondering if anyone actually does this, perfectly, and sees gains from it. Seems to me you'd have to be very on top of it to manage the swaps well.
    It would be really easy, right before your guardian buff falls swap seals, when the censure is close to falling switch back. Still a pretty big hassle for what's probably a small gain, I personally don't do it.

    BTW get rid of your accuracy enchant, you are at 8.88% hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbringer View Post
    BTW get rid of your accuracy enchant, you are at 8.88% hit.
    Planning to, I just got the ring on Thursday to push me over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbringer View Post
    My only gear differences from anaxie are neck/cloak/boots/ and ring , none of which have hit on them, yet I still have more hit than him. He uses hit/haste as well, not sure what i'm missing.

    Edit: I think it's because I have 4 hit/haste gems and he has 3 hit/haste due to my boots. That one gem alone would make up the difference.
    You can reforge away all expertise on your gear (regardless weather you need it or not) and then gem exp + haste untill you're exp capped and then gem str + haste, doing that will let you use the exp you have on HC Bo Ris (you lucky bastard btw ). Next tier we'll want a lot more mastery anyways so better just prepare for it.

    You also got ra den boots with exp and primordius (iirc) cloak, both are horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    You also got ra den boots with exp and primordius (iirc) cloak, both are horrible.
    Are you sure about that? The boots are on the first page.

    And I am fully forged out of expertise, look at armory got bo ris on, still way over exp cap.
    Last edited by Torchbringer; 2013-07-14 at 10:51 PM.

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    Twin Consorts (HC + TF) boots give you:
    + 1401 Strength
    + 1,053 Critical Strike
    + 765 Haste
    + 320 Haste gem
    = 1401 str
    1085 haste rating
    1,053 Critical Strike -> 40% can be turned into mastery (around 410 rating)

    Sabatons of the Superior Being (HC + TF) boots give you:
    + 1,313 Strength
    + 885 Critical Strike
    + 368 Haste
    + 552 Expertise
    + 480 Haste (gems)
    + 120 Strength (socket bonus)
    = 1433 str
    848 haste rating
    885 crit rating
    552 Expertise**

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    Since most of us in bis gear won't need the exp the exp value is almost 0, unless the twins boots are HC + TF they're not better than the Ra Den boots though. The differance is marginal but if we're talking BiS then :P
    So Ra Den boots give you 20ish more str but 100-150 /haste rating than the Twin Consorts boots on top of that you can reforge some crit to mastery on the Twin Consorts boots.

    In regards to your hit, you got 4 x haste/hit gems and you are 255 hit rating over cap as far as I can see. If you want to you can gem stam to gain a hair more survivability, not going to make a world of differance though...
    Get the 600 cloak and the twins boots and you'll drop below exp cap. (~200 rating from cap)

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    Someone else (pref Anaxie) check over the numbers, I'm def not getting the Ra Den boots over HC TF Twins boots.
    Last edited by Huntingbear_grimbatol; 2013-07-15 at 12:37 AM.
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    im a little scared about how ret is doing atm with the PTR, we haven't seen any real changes to them but tons of nerfs/ compensation buffs to prot and holy. Could this mean they will leave us alone for now?? i certainly hope so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Twin Consorts (HC + TF) boots give you:
    + 1401 Strength
    + 1,053 Critical Strike
    + 765 Haste
    + 320 Haste gem
    = 1401 str
    1085 haste rating
    1,053 Critical Strike -> 40% can be turned into mastery (around 410 rating)

    Sabatons of the Superior Being (HC + TF) boots give you:
    + 1,313 Strength
    + 885 Critical Strike
    + 368 Haste
    + 552 Expertise
    + 480 Haste (gems)
    + 120 Strength (socket bonus)
    = 1433 str
    848 haste rating
    885 crit rating
    552 Expertise**

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Since most of us in bis gear won't need the exp the exp value is almost 0, unless the twins boots are HC + TF they're not better than the Ra Den boots though. The differance is marginal but if we're talking BiS then :P
    So Ra Den boots give you 20ish more str but 100-150 /haste rating than the Twin Consorts boots on top of that you can reforge some crit to mastery on the Twin Consorts boots.

    In regards to your hit, you got 4 x haste/hit gems and you are 255 hit rating over cap as far as I can see. If you want to you can gem stam to gain a hair more survivability, not going to make a world of differance though...
    Get the 600 cloak and the twins boots and you'll drop below exp cap. (~200 rating from cap)

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    Someone else (pref Anaxie) check over the numbers, I'm def not getting the Ra Den boots over HC TF Twins boots.
    as far as i can see your numbers seem accurate at first glance. As for my opinion, unless your having to reforge INTO expertise, which is usually not the case with a bo-ris, the ra-den boots are worse due to the twins boots having what 150ish more haste for 30 str?

  12. #3912
    Coined H Bo-ris today of Ji-Kun, about had to change my pants. Been stuck with regular Council sword since first week of normal clear when ToT released. Have to wait for tuesday reset to come around to upgrade it though. >< 10/13H for us now

    Starting to get really excited for Seige patch now that I'm not the only one in the raid without a heroic weapon lol.
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    PTR notes
    Selfless Healer:
    Your successful Judgments generate a charge of Holy Power and reduce the cast time and mana cost of your next Flash of Light by 35% per stack and improves its effectiveness by 20% per stack when used to heal others. Stacks up to 3 times.

    So Judgement generates 2 holy power? I haven't been on ptr yet to check this but holy shit if it does...

    *update*
    tested on PTR, doesn't work for ret/prot. Not sure if the latest PTR patch notes are up to date with PTR client.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    PTR notes
    Selfless Healer:
    Your successful Judgments generate a charge of Holy Power and reduce the cast time and mana cost of your next Flash of Light by 35% per stack and improves its effectiveness by 20% per stack when used to heal others. Stacks up to 3 times.

    So Judgement generates 2 holy power? I haven't been on ptr yet to check this but holy shit if it does...

    Most likely a datamining error.I think it will work on for holy since they were trying to find a way to make SH viable for them so they added the HoPo from Judging.

  15. #3915
    Lore clarified it.

    prot and ret function the same as they did before regardless of talent choices, while holy paladins who spec into selfless healer will get 1 holy power if they judge, but only if they're specced into SH.

    short version: it's a holy change.
    Because I want to say this every single day but don't want it to get a drag:
    1) The ingame store will only sell timesaver items. It won't affect balance.
    2) No, getting to 100 in half the time isn't pay2win. raids don't start until the second week, everyone has time to get there.
    4) getting charms faster is also not pay2win. getting those is easy, but not everyone has the time or want for dailies.

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    Yeah went on ptr and did more checks with ptr client version etc. Knew it was too good to be true :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Yeah went on ptr and did more checks with ptr client version etc. Knew it was too good to be true :P
    Well of course. Why would they put that into a utility teir of talents? It would make it mandatory for ret to take SH.

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  19. #3919
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    unless the twins boots are HC + TF they're not better than the Ra Den boots though.
    Looks like I have BiS then. #10manproblems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alviarin View Post
    Got a few questions I'm not certain of the answer :

    Is it really a gain to seal twist to keep a "buffed" Censure rolling ? What kinds of buffs would be necessary (GoaK/AW + potion + maxed trinket procs, or less would be fine too ?). Is there a specific break even point ?

    Also, anyone using clcInfo minds sharing his 4pT15 rotation string ? I find it rather strange that there isn't a "csaw" implemented to emphasize cs over exo during AW ...

    Edit : I implemented it myself, now my rotation looks like this : inq tv4_4t15 tv3_4t15 tv5 howaw cs_n4t15aw tv4aw tvaw how exo cs_n4t15 jaw j tv3 cs ss
    Any remarks ?
    cs_n4t15aw doesnt exist as far as i know?

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