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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Upgrade Relic of Xuen and keep it. Replace Darkmist Vortex with Lei Shin's Final Orders when you get it. The only time you should replace Relic of Xuen is when you get heroic Darkmist Vortex.
    Really? I always thought normal Darkmist Vortex was better then Relic of Xuen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddlesnarf View Post
    Really? I always thought normal Darkmist Vortex was better then Relic of Xuen.
    Think they are roughly the same in "patchwerk" world. Darkmoon trinket is alot more consistant and easier to play with tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neldarie View Post
    "Retribution now does 50% extra healing with Flash Heal. The Selfless Healer talent has been reduced to 20/40/60% bonus healing." Hello priest spell?

    "The tier-14 2-piece set bonus now causes Crusader Strike and Hammer of Wrath to have a 40% chance to make the Paladin’s next Divine Storm deal a Lightning Strike for 255% weapon damage as Nature."

    Ok now we have complete evidence that blues are smoking some real good shit and know alot about the game.
    You're beating a dead horse on the priest spell. They admitted they confused the shit, but the changes didn't get down the road. Let it go.

    On topic, still out-of-the-ass bonuses.

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    The tier-14 2-piece set bonus now causes Crusader Strike and Hammer of Wrath to have a 40% chance to make the Paladin’s next Divine Storm deal a Lightning Strike for 255% weapon damage as Nature.
    255% weapon daamge lightning bolt is ALOT considering 275% TV + 35% armor
    Add the 100% holy DS that WILL benefit from the 2set and inqu.

    I retract my posts. Excellent set again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    You're beating a dead horse on the priest spell. They admitted they confused the shit, but the changes didn't get down the road. Let it go.

    On topic, still out-of-the-ass bonuses.
    More in the lines of pointing out tier15, 4set, hammer of righteousness mass amount of typos/mistakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    255% weapon daamge lightning bolt is ALOT considering 275% TV + 35% armor
    Add the 100% holy DS that WILL benefit from the 2set and inqu.

    I retract my posts. Excellent set again.
    Yes, but why forced to use DS even in single target? What about CCed targets? Since they finally separated CS/TV and HotR/DS, your proposal ("next TV or DS deals additional X dmg") is much more into-the-line with this philosophy.

    Also, what don't I understand here: DS > TV? Also, what's with the T14 2p bonus? I thought they were making T15 bonuses now..

    Quote Originally Posted by Neldarie View Post
    More in the lines of pointing out tier15, 4set, hammer of righteousness mass amount of typos/mistakes?
    What, it didn't ever happen to you to mix up some names? The Blizzard guys who frequently answer are expected to cover all classes and specs so you can give them a break, not to nitpick them like kids who can't look at the overall picture.

    I'm interested in the mechanics, not that this or that dude says I get a buff to a (priest) spell I know I don't have. I know what he's talking about, nitpicking on that falls on the trolling part. Sorry.

    Oh, and I do understand what you're saying, I'm also obssessed about spelling, grammar and stuff. But not to the point of giving up on the main topic to chase butterflies 'cause they're more fun/cool. :P

    But enough of the off-topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    Yes, but why forced to use DS even in single target? What about CCed targets? Since they finally separated CS/TV and HotR/DS, your proposal ("next TV or DS deals additional X dmg") is much more into-the-line with this philosophy.

    Also, what don't I understand here: DS > TV? Also, what's with the T14 2p bonus? I thought they were making T15 bonuses now..
    TBH there is nothing that needs cced in T14 or heroics.

    And don't even say wind lord that shit is nothing but storm spam.

    If anything the storm spam is a good thing clearly horridon and troll council will be... lots of adds. Hopfully non of the troll council has a shield .

    Hell after killing sha of fear Heroic and empress I wish Divine storm could proc lightning bolts now.

    idc about typos blues may or may not make I only care about the info that the LB is 255% weapon damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    I wish Divine storm could proc lightning bolts now.
    Oh, oh, and we also have Glyph of Fire From the Heavens. More lightning and fire bolts, I say, I've always liked the BOOM effect Moonfire has..

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    Meh after screwing around abit with sims and looking at dps gains of various stats and various top performing specs currently vs ret: Don't think any kind of op/gimmicky set bonus even if 10% flat out dmg increase will be enough to stay on par with em next tier.

    I'd like to see class changes that help it last not some dumbass bonuses.
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  10. #1110
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddlesnarf View Post
    Really? I always thought normal Darkmist Vortex was better then Relic of Xuen.
    According to the trinket thread they're in the same ballpark. However, Relic and Lei shin's synergise awesomely. Here's an example from Elegon: http://i.imgur.com/YXoXt.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    255% weapon daamge lightning bolt is ALOT considering 275% TV + 35% armor
    Add the 100% holy DS that WILL benefit from the 2set and inqu.

    I retract my posts. Excellent set again.
    Either the proc rate needs to be increased or the damage needs to be increased. It's not a bad set, but it requires some tuning.

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    Just make the proc lightning bolt a "Holy Bolt" so it is somewhat logical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Just make the proc lightning bolt a "Holy Bolt" so it is somewhat logical.
    We're not bloody shamans.
    ... but we are fighting the Thunder King. The idea didn't come from nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    ... but we are fighting the Thunder King. The idea didn't come from nowhere.
    So we fight lightning with lightning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    So we fight lightning with lightning?
    Makes sense. Our Firelands tier set did fire damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    ... but we are fighting the Thunder King. The idea didn't come from nowhere.
    true. still doesn't make sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Either the proc rate needs to be increased or the damage needs to be increased. It's not a bad set, but it requires some tuning.
    It is a great set now that people have finally done some research, and I agree. It definitely needs to be tuned to suit, for the most part at this current time it isn't that great.

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    Well we're back to the original 4 set. Now all we need is a 5-10% 2h damage increase and we're set!

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    Holy crap.... our voices were heard?
    Huzzah! mastery scaling is back on the table!

    Holy TV should scale better from the lightning bolt storm single target through the immense hit dipping into mastery and the exorcism debuff. It sucks to not have single target cleave like dks but hopfully with this change in attitude from developers we may eventually see a 25% weapon damage bump on Dstorm or massive rightiousness buff.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-17 at 10:36 PM ----------

    GC responded to my plea to remove our T11 protection prepull and the potential T14 in T15 gimmic
    Myself and many many many rets would be happy to just have these gimmics gone. Please?


    We agree that it feels dumb and mandatory. We don't have a global solution to swapping set bonuses pre-pull, but we are trying to implement one. In the meantime, we have a list of specific set bonuses (including the two you mentioned) to discourage for pre-pull.


    ---------- Post added 2013-01-17 at 10:48 PM ----------

    So the items will be rolling out on PTR soon would everyone prefer a new thread or a name change to this one and new OP with a link to the page where the new tier begins?

    I feel this thread is large enough to were it would draw attention far more then if i had a new 1 page thread. OP would be cleaner then this one because this tier with 5mans MSV and the Hof/Terrence gearsets made everything a mess to go over. nevermind the VP + system making an appearance far earlier then expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Holy crap.... our voices were heard?
    Huzzah! mastery scaling is back on the table!

    Holy TV should scale better from the lightning bolt storm single target through the immense hit dipping into mastery and the exorcism debuff. It sucks to not have single target cleave like dks but hopfully with this change in attitude from developers we may eventually see a 25% weapon damage bump on Dstorm or massive rightiousness buff.
    We're still never going to do nearly as good as Fury Warriors. They just got another buff in the form of 50% more effect from haste on gear. "Fury really needed another buff, hyuck!" Sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    GC responded to my plea to remove our T11 protection prepull and the potential T14 in T15 gimmic
    Well I did also mention it a couple pages back. It IS stupid to have to use them and I'm glad they're trying to fix that at least, but I'd rather them actually balance PvE DPS better.

    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    So the items will be rolling out on PTR soon would everyone prefer a new thread or a name change to this one and new OP with a link to the page where the new tier begins?

    I feel this thread is large enough to were it would draw attention far more then if i had a new 1 page thread. OP would be cleaner then this one because this tier with 5mans MSV and the Hof/Terrence gearsets made everything a mess to go over. nevermind the VP + system making an appearance far earlier then expected.
    It's the start of the PTR for the new raid tier, so it's probably a good idea to get a new thread going.

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