Anaxie's Totally Magnificent ToT Retribution T15 BiS & Theorycraft

[Neldarie]

Just as a sidenote testing around for good hour with Ji'kun trinket and proc ranged anywhere between 10sec after previous expired and up to almost 3.5-4minutes of a full round w-o a proc (thats abit too much RNG). Sure it's 0.5 rppm so should be like 1 proc every 2minutes but ye seeing how much ret is a cooldown class I'l have to say you only have ONE choice for now = LeiShen orders + Gaze OR Primo (whichever is better) + if both suck its ye lol Valor trinket guyz. Waiting to stack zandalar and seeing how it auto-procs is just ye; totally not worth it.

Tbh ret = if ya cant pop cooldowns on pull = trinkets that don't work/allign with that simply just aren't viable.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Charm ALL the bosses! o/

[anaxie]

Just as a sidenote testing around for good hour with Ji'kun trinket and proc ranged anywhere between 10sec after previous expired and up to almost 3.5-4minutes of a full round w-o a proc. Sure it's 0.5 rppm so should be like 1 proc every 2minutes but ye seeing how much ret is a cooldown class I'l have to say you only have ONE choice for now = LeiShen orders + Gaze OR Primo (whichever is better). Waiting to stack zandalar and seeing how it auto-procs is just ye; totally not worth it.

Tbh ret = if ya cant pop cooldowns on pull = trinkets that don't work/allign with that simply just aren't viable.

RPPM is so stupid and defeats the purpose behind trinkets. With locked ICDs and procrates you could line things up. It was predictable. This shit is just retarded.

Just think if our VP trinket was 20 sec 105 icd we may actually of had a BIS from Valor =/

[Anafielle]

Yeah I did a ton of simcraft testing in my current T14 gear with every single pair I could think of-- I found, at least for me, that the 517 Vortex & the 510 Lei shen hold up very well against just about all the 522 trinkets. I made a really long post in the Ej thread about it. I can use the expertise on the valor trinket, so I'm rocking that & my 517 vortex for now. Should do me fine through normals, unless t15 set bonuses end up changing any of the trinket strengths.

I'm pretty satisfied with the state of ret on live right now now that I've had my first raid. We look particularly good on Jikun. Of course, I never thought we were broken in the first place, my raid runs 2x mainspec ret. /shrug. I'm loving the SOR change, even though it's not relevant to every fight, cleave is more interesting this way. I'm feeling good about ret in this tier.

[Reith]

I'm pretty satisfied with the state of ret on live right now now that I've had my first raid. We look particularly good on Jikun. Of course, I never thought we were broken in the first place, my raid runs 2x mainspec ret. /shrug. I'm loving the SOR change, even though it's not relevant to every fight, cleave is more interesting this way. I'm feeling good about ret in this tier.

I'm not. http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D.../7/30/default/

[anaxie]

Pathogenic Gauntlets
Forget the other OS hands. Now that we are aware of how to obtain our 2 other 2handers and them being somewhat EASIER to obtain. We shouldn't have to worry about a 1500 hit sword.

This pair means we have MORE haste and mastery then choosing OS legs.

Primordius is pretty much an all star boss.

Our best trinket
Our best ring
Our OS hands
A pretty good cloak BiS till Ra-den
sword / Polearm

Charming Megera Heroic would be a good idea mid tier when fishing for weapons since he only has ONE item could coin on his loot table. Thankfully the one item is a ring too so if we get a TF version while dumping charms it should be pretty legit.

[Nadev]

I'm not. http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D.../7/30/default/

65k gap between top and bottom is ludicrous. Even the roughly 10k between 1st and 2nd or 25k between 1st and 3rd is bad.

[Prometheous]

65k gap between top and bottom is ludicrous. Even the roughly 10k between 1st and 2nd or 25k between 1st and 3rd is bad.

They'll need to fix that, it's absurd to see warlocks doing two times as much damage as everyone else in less or similar gear.

[Nadev]

I mean, how on Earth is that even remotely considered balanced? The fact that all three of their specs are higher than most classes dps specs...

Good lord, Beast Mastery is that low? I didn't even realize that was the bottom spec. Of the classes I play, Balance is the highest and its still 30k behind...

[anaxie]

Can we stop crying about other classes and dps rankings. It's getting old.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Keep in mind that that's average dps recorded on the bosses, many fights aren't downed yet and most of the fights this tier support multidotting and aoe massivly. Yes it's "wrong" that the numbers show that way but I'm not surprised. Not even slightly.

[Runewrath]

Got the haste only bracers tonight and I must say they are pretty nice. I pretty much hated the Primordius fight though, I do not look forward to it on heroic.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

So far the biggest "fuck this shit" fight on normal has been Ji'kun, the fight is amazingly simple but it has so many things that don't work properly. Feathers not being able to be picked up untill you run over them 5-6 times, the feed young buff you're supposed to get when flying (basicly the same "bug" that was on the healing dragon fight in ICC, you can't just fly into them they have to hit you sort of deal...)

So far the boss I'm fearing the most on heroic must be Dark Animus, on normal it's imo the third or fourth easiest boss but I'd imagine it's gonna be alot more strict when we come to heroic...

[Runewrath]

So far the biggest "fuck this shit" fight on normal has been Ji'kun, the fight is amazingly simple but it has so many things that don't work properly. Feathers not being able to be picked up untill you run over them 5-6 times, the feed young buff you're supposed to get when flying (basicly the same "bug" that was on the healing dragon fight in ICC, you can't just fly into them they have to hit you sort of deal...)

So far the boss I'm fearing the most on heroic must be Dark Animus, on normal it's imo the third or fourth easiest boss but I'd imagine it's gonna be alot more strict when we come to heroic...

I just got to stand there and DPS on Ji-kun so it wasn't so bad lol.

[Anafielle]

Can we stop crying about other classes and dps rankings. It's getting old.

Agreed completely.

Also... had the opposite experience on Ji Kun from Huntingbear, it was my favorite fight! I love it. The worst part about it was that we only wiped once so I didn't get to see it much, I would fly all day long. We encountered zero feather bugs.

[Reith]

Can we stop crying about other classes and dps rankings. It's getting old.

Are you honestly telling me you - as a Ret Paladin - wouldn't hold back a hardcore 25-man guild right now in heroic ToT? Seriously.

[Revvo]

Are you honestly telling me you - as a Ret Paladin - wouldn't hold back a hardcore 25-man guild right now in heroic ToT? Seriously.

Psh, can a warlock dispel all magic debuffs every two minutes? Don't think so.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Yes... that's a reason to bring a ret... rofl

[Revvo]

Yes... that's a reason to bring a ret... rofl

Dem dark animus matter swap dispels. /flex

[Anafielle]

Are you honestly telling me you - as a Ret Paladin - wouldn't hold back a hardcore 25-man guild right now in heroic ToT? Seriously.

Yes. Absolutely honestly. US top 50, we run two mainspec rets. Ran them just fine through 16/16H, no plans to change in T15? Raidbots says that slightly over 1 ret per 25 was average all through last tier for 25 man guilds, which sounds fine to me for one spec from a 3 spec class. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

And ret has looked fine so far through TOT normals. Check TOT logs, no one is sitting ret paladins?