Oh i'm sorry, since the thread is half about theorycraft, and that is indeed always relevant, i guess i'll have to admit it's only half useless.
"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" — Mark Twain
I'm back! I'll update the OP asap along with useful information from my perspective. Also a shout out Pbad will not be raiding hardcore anymore and I havnt seen butosai in ages. So their presence in this community may be ghostlike in the following tiers. Never fear! You still have myself and Requital for expert opinions and theorycraft / dps backed by our 7+ years of Retribution experience in high end content and parsing top 10 consistently.
I ask for the community to consolidate all mop information and 5.0 information / questions to this one thread rather then spreading it to 20 something others which quickly become buried in the clutter.
-- Darkmist Vortex – 15% chance on direct white/melee/harmful-spell landing, 105 sec ICD.
This is the Sha of fear trinket Both heroic and normal have same proc. Thats how trinkets work now procs are the same.
Yes 105sec looks bad until u realise that is the same cooldown as our wings with 4 set. Meaning we get an additonal 5100 haste or 12% free during wings or atleast Most of the duration.
Also for the Relic of Xuen. It's proc will overlap with wings almost as reliable as Creche since the awkward 45 sec ICD and that awkward 1:45 sec wings / 30 sec duration benefits and feels like it was made for us.
Where do you stand on the stat weights for 85? I tried mastery>haste and haste>mastery, the numbers were pretty similar but haste>mastery felt better. Also if haste>mastery, will Gurth normal be better than Slicer heroic?
Regarding Sanctified Wrath being our "best" talent choice with T14 gear, I don't see how that would make it the best.
Obviously not taking into account fights in which one talent really shines over another ( HA on Spine etc etc ), why wouldn't you pick HA, use it in conjunction with Wings, and get a ¿¿bigger?? dps increment since they will be nearly on the same cooldown? I guess it's bigger since you'll have all your HP generators dealing extra damage and spaming more TVs, HoW's damage shouldn't come ahead of a free TV every time you use a HP generator.
I feel like delaying one of our CDs 25 seconds should be worth it, but I guess that would need to be simmed to provide actual results.
Last edited by Lazay; 2012-08-30 at 09:19 PM.
85 is so broken haste or mastery both wins.
Mostly Mastery though :3
---------- Post added 2012-08-30 at 09:29 PM ----------
The DPS increment doesnt affect autos, Censure, Execution sentence, TV, or seals. WIngs increases everything 20% and will always be used with execute nevermind it's less then 2 mins at 90 tier gear. It's better in every single way.
25 seconds when Wings are only a 105sec CD will definetly lose out. Nevermind all the procs in MoP trinekts sync better with wings cooldown + 30 seconds is a LONG time to have everything proc + full potion benefit + longer lust benefit + entire guardian benefit.
Also the best part? after 30 hammers in 30 seconds you should have 5 HP pooled. ENough for a fresh Inqu and a TV shortly after.
Presumably, in T14 gear, we'll have more haste available which will lower ability CDs by a much greater amount; I'm playing with SW right now and, last night in raid, my Wings rotation was HoW->CS->HoW->TV->HoW->CS->HoW->TV ad nauseum. That was pretty damned fun, lemme tell you. Didn't help to alleviate the gutting in DPS the spec took, though, which was hugely disappointing.
However our aoe is ass. I reccomend taking Divine storm off your bars and forgetting it ever existed.
@Anaxie: It's probable that I'm defending the HA usage due to being tied to how ret worked before this patch, I think it should still be considered ( since I duno if anyone has simmed or tryed it on beta ) unless proven to be a worse dps option.