Those simulationcraft results don't take into account aligning CDs
also, 1:15 ICD means it does NOT align with AW or ES at all. it procs on pull, then again 1:20 after pull, then again 2:40 after pull (taking :05 proc delay into account). since AW expires after 2:30 even with SW, and delaying ES for 20 seconds in hope of a proc is a DPS loss, VP trinket is not better than 522 spark. the only thing you could possibly state is that spark isn't active during the first ES when everything has procced, but it likely is on the second.
delaying cds to align them with procs is a fundamental and usually subjective topic (because it's so situational). some people try to stack everything and gamble by waiting on procs and all stars align, but that style also brings a lot of RNG (don't need numbers to prove this I'm sure). then there's people who avoid holding their cd's and use them when they are available because most of the times this will give them a higher dps than if you delay everything. the latter of course being much easier to execute and gives you time to focus on everything else going on.
now with so many RPPM procs I feel it's hard to argue for the side of where you delay cd's. because of this, simcraft results, despite having questionable APL's, are more reliable than in the beginning of the expansion.
Yeah, this playstyle is punitive/risky with rppm trink, but not with predictable ICD trink like shado pan, and that's what makes it (slightly) better than horridon, because with a 75sec ICD it's just math wether or not you delay CDs
And guaranteed CDs with 8800 STR is better than guaranteed flat CDs on pull (no zandalari warrior here) and *maybe* 7330 STR during 1 or 2 CD usage *if you are lucky*.
Then again, being good at delaying CDs is a judgement call, a good planning ahead of fights etc... I agree with that, that's why, for the shado-pan talisman only, I don't trust sims
For rppm trink, well, RNG is RNG, best of luck ranking and go deeps hard
535 spark trumps shado-pan bay a fair margin though, this only count as a comparison between N spark 522 and 522 shado pan talisman
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Ty kindly for the trinket comments, I was thinking the same about the valor trinket, mostly because I am not that high end player but a little below so tracking all the icd's and lining everything up all the while learning the fights is a little much for me,lol.
I do make a go of it at times though
Another quick thought, with having the tier 15 2pc is there any thought to re-gemming from haste to mastery, or a better question may be, when if ever will we favor mastery over haste.
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Post 5.3 I'm likely to go a full mastery build once I get a Bo-ris 541/ Gemming/ whatever. If anyone can put up ranks 1s if the build truely comes out superior it would be me. Barring our fun feather n tv procs =/
However due to GCD reducing meaning... more attacks and RPPM trinkets increase on an internal haste formula it may be impossible for anything to beat haste till 50% hardcap. However I have no doubt by time org comes Mastery will be beating strength along with haste. Personally I believe mastery is beating strength the second you get a 522+ Ilvl Fabled Feather + spark
Last edited by anaxie; 2013-05-02 at 08:40 PM.
If a fight this tier doesn't have a huge damage buff gimmic skyrocketing mastery it has an AoE component which also skyrockets the stat to the suggested value. Or in the case with Lei Shien, significant downtime that allows you to get more cooldown uptime on him vs downtime with them.
Alot of people won't see the results I'm talking about because 99% of the ret playerbase are unlikely to see 530+ Ilvl values until T16 launches.
Anyhow I'm not going to rely on any program when I can personally test it. Been playing this spec at a top level for almost 8 years now without needing them and getting the correct results and priorities while sims are still being modeled correctly. Some players may scoff at the reality of how I do things. If they can actually beat me in practice or prove something in a logical matter without the use of them then they have my attention.
Lets consider another part where the Exo debuff is valued VS CS failing to proc during cooldowns. However SoL going to 30% meaning CS will be 15% stronger while exo still stays the same being the only On cast ability not affected. Then you scale in 2/2 Weapons and a Full fledged 549 weapon mastery is starting to look pretty good and CS in pure damage getting damn close to Exo or even surpassing it if you go an entire full mastery build. I said much earlier getting Bo-Ris and pushing mastery > haste you would end with 25% haste <our T14 BiS value> and about 75% buffed mastery. That is a pretty significant amount.
Last edited by anaxie; 2013-05-02 at 10:35 PM.
I just grabbed the heroic Primordius trinket.
Im using Lei Shen's Final Orders and Feather atm.
Is it worth replacing Orders with Primordius trinket?
Bo-Ris being BiS + Cloak + upgrades our stats should look something like..... 50% mastery 40-41% haste 14-15% crit. 541 Consort boots BiS because the Expertise would overcap us on ra-den shoes and the other stat is crit which blows.
Every single item would have MASTERY and HASTE on them in some form. Seems like a win situation to me anyone see it differently?
Also Post 5.3 in maxed out BiS we are looking at between 55-56k Weapon damage outside of a raid setting.
It's plain to see what Templar mastery hits are going to look like with 50% mastery and 56k weapon damage.
For some perspective I'm only at 40% mastery currently thanks to Shitty hit sword and no VP upgrades enables and only 42.5k Weapon damage with a 535.
However 2/2ing the weapon and the patch alone will put me at 52k weapon damage and change. I don't know how competitive most of you are on single target fights in your raid but this is going to make me retarded op.
with 5.3 buffs a 541 vs 535 is around 2,200 weapon damage I could get the exact number again but that is close enough to understand what you're missing
Last edited by anaxie; 2013-05-03 at 06:22 AM.
Hope I don't break a discussion here but I would like to know if there is any trinkets in ToT there will put crit higher than mastery i have just gotten my hands on a Gaze of the Twins, thunderforged and since it procs only of crit. So i was wondering if a trinket like that one would put crit over mastery?
I picked up the crit trinket (stacks str on crit or whatever), if the buff duration on the stacking buff was 15 seconds rather than 10 it would be better, stood 1hr on dummy and never got it maxxed, rarely I got it to 3 stacks. I think I got it to 4 stacks once or twice but it's so clunky and almost impossible to use with your cds... That said the trinket isn't for us, it's for the warriors... you know, the special melee.
I'm not using the trinket, I picked it up so it wouldn't get disenchanted and I was curious to see how it worked out in a combat situation and not just depending on estimates.
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Wanna get my hands onto a HTF Spark. Shits gona be almost a 10k proc once you upgrade it. Nom nom nom nom nom
okay great good thing i got first on the next feather and spark in my guild. thanks for the help