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    @Heiros I think stuff changes around quite dramatically this tier based on many things (cloak/trinkets/4sets/weapondmg) in relation to where crit vs mastery stands. I tried running full crit reforge with just cloak and results were very similar to mastery maybe even slightly higher. Thing about haste tho is you can't get enough of it if you're still using ToT 4set, where if you got SoO 4set things may change to have some breakpoints due to over-resourcing much.
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  2. #4562
    The 2/2 Warforged Item set in the OP doesn't work for me. Is it my only issue or does the link not actually work?

  3. #4563
    I've been doing a lot of looking around on this page, as far as I can tell, ES is a dot and does it get affected and snapshot stats at the time of application? I've noticed huge differences in the amount of damage if I use it after procs are at full capacity, i.e. Feather, and making sure AW and GaK (12 stacks) are up as well. Any input would be nice as this is my off-spec but would love to play ret as my main spec sometime down the road. Thanks

  4. #4564
    Quote Originally Posted by XxnitmarexX View Post
    I've been doing a lot of looking around on this page, as far as I can tell, ES is a dot and does it get affected and snapshot stats at the time of application? I've noticed huge differences in the amount of damage if I use it after procs are at full capacity, i.e. Feather, and making sure AW and GaK (12 stacks) are up as well. Any input would be nice as this is my off-spec but would love to play ret as my main spec sometime down the road. Thanks

    Correct, it's a snapshot.

  5. #4565
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanyn View Post
    The 2/2 Warforged Item set in the OP doesn't work for me. Is it my only issue or does the link not actually work?
    It works fine for me

  6. #4566
    Yeah, it works now. Weird. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxnitmarexX View Post
    I've been doing a lot of looking around on this page, as far as I can tell, ES is a dot and does it get affected and snapshot stats at the time of application? I've noticed huge differences in the amount of damage if I use it after procs are at full capacity, i.e. Feather, and making sure AW and GaK (12 stacks) are up as well. Any input would be nice as this is my off-spec but would love to play ret as my main spec sometime down the road. Thanks
    Yeah, it snapshots at the time you cast the spell.

    If you have synapse springs macro'd to the spell you'd want it placed before ES too.
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  8. #4568
    Thanks for the info. Appreciate it

  9. #4569
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanyn View Post
    The 2/2 Warforged Item set in the OP doesn't work for me. Is it my only issue or does the link not actually work?
    It didn't work for me until I logged into my Wowhead account.

  10. #4570
    Gotta love the new Inquisition glyph, it refreshes when you kill any adds during Immersus, Nourushen, Sha of Pride, Galakras, Spoils of Pandaria, and Garrosh, you can get it up to 2 mins on those fights, not that it's absolutely necessary to use it but it's fun, if there are more bosses I'm missing please let me know.
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  11. #4571
    Anaxie , when you get a chance could you fix the links for the bis list on yours first post ? Thanks man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floross View Post
    Anaxie , when you get a chance could you fix the links for the bis list on yours first post ? Thanks man.
    Message me what's wrong and where and I'll correct it for now.
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    Krekko I think they all just need the ptr. part of the link deleted.
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  14. #4574
    The recent remark I read here about how Light's Hammer was the "go-to" choice for some fights in SoO got me scratching my head about how exactly LH works.
    The thing is, the damage of Arcing Light isn't all that impressive compared to ES, although on fights like Garrosh it's used (at least twice in P1) against a crowd of adds.
    Comparing a few of the best "Western" ranked players on Garrosh 25N, you can see the 2 abilities are quite close in damage, which strike me as odd :
    - LH : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=6029&e=6694 (LH damage : 5766930)
    - ES : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=1349&e=2044 (ES damage: 5118568)

    LH is still a clear winner, but how come it's not a bigger deal ? Is the damage capped above a certain number of adds ? I know it's not snapshotting like ES, but dynamically changing like a totem, so you can't "cheese" it like you could with ES and Feather, but still I would've expected it to be quite higher considering it's supposed to be an upgrade over ES if you can use it at full duration against 2 targets and on cooldown.

    Anyone care to explain me how LH works ?

  15. #4575
    thoughts on darkfallen shoulders from protectors as offpiece? they are haste/mastery but don't seem to have a mention. is it the blue sockets?

  16. #4576
    Hey, my ret-alt has got the 4p t15, but legs and chest are on lfr level(510), would it be a gain if i changed them with the t16 legs(553) and the wf chest(559) from Ordos with crit and mastery, i would lose the 4p t15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floross View Post
    Krekko I think they all just need the ptr. part of the link deleted.
    Thanks!

    Changed them all, should be working now. Sorry Anaxie!
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  18. #4578
    so just to be clear should we swap 4 set permentaly or just swap back for single target

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holymind View Post
    so just to be clear should we swap 4 set permentaly or just swap back for single target
    Permanently it seems. Solscra said he sustained 340k dps on Jugg with T164 and a 574 wpn. THe huge mastery gains from the new tier bulks mastery up alot SW + Galak allows huge wings uptime, and lastly the passive 2pc is infinitly better then the old one and without T16 4pc there are still often rotational gaps.

    Solsa hard stopped at 40% haste too as we suggest earlier too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calimon-ZJ View Post
    thoughts on darkfallen shoulders from protectors as offpiece? they are haste/mastery but don't seem to have a mention. is it the blue sockets?
    2nd boss shoulders and first boss hands are PERFECTLY fine to sub in as offpieaces. The important thing right now is getting 4 set and a good offset slot until 100% heroic farm.
    Last edited by anaxie; 2013-09-18 at 06:34 PM.

  20. #4580
    so should we be stop with haste at 40% without trinkets or with thok and evil eye trinket, just i have my 2 piece now but just don't wanna give up my 4 set since the holy tv is sexy although it will be awhile before we farm hc's
    Ps my luck with trinkets is garbage

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