1. #5321
    Go post on the official forums about expanding class/race combos and watch people's heads explode. Fucking lore nerds act like it's a damn game breaker. Can you imagine getting a mini lust with every kings (although gala trink fucks up the timing).

  2. #5322
    I get the really bad feeling that we'll see one of the following:

    1) Holy Pallies using an odd Strength to SP scaling so that Int Plate can be removed from the game, with current Int/Spirit pieces being swapped to Str/Haste/Mastery. They could do something along the lines of making Haste or Mastery increase combat regen. This wouldn't be bad for the Rets out there who OS Holy, as Prot is already fairly painless for a swap.

    2) Another plate class is introduced that uses Int Plate exclusively. Holy Pallies everywhere shed many tears.

    As for Ret, still feeling that Seal of Truth/Righteousness change how abilities work instead of adding passive damage. Truth gives CS, Judge, Exo (with DoT), TV. Right gives HotR, Holy Wrath, Mass Exo, DStorm. Justice could probably give CS, Judge + Slow/Root, Exo, Holy TV. All three have Hammer of Wrath.

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    Tbh I think ret paladin scaling is more than fine atm. And overall very driven by set bonuses of last 2 tiers. Just imagine what kinda ST dps you could do with current SoO gear if 4sets swapped places t15-t16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    And even for Allaince it's still pitiful gains compared to Worgen or panda.

    Atleast Torrent is useful on H Garrosh.

    /LOL trollface ;-;

    Actually compared to ORCS and TROLLS. Elves are gimp as fuck we have like no racials. Enchanting and 1% arcane midigation...... Personally the arcane mitigation needs to just leave. Period. Or add an actual racial outside torrent.
    Alliance is a complete joke racial wise compared to Horde. The good racials are like the average horde racials.

    I like my Belf, but getting tired of the only perk being looks, which is ruined by all creepy whispers you get whenever you afk in Shrine/Orgrimmar. Belves should get a sprint or passive speed buff. In lore elves run really fast (they keep up with ground mounts). Idk about DPS perks just give us something actually useful.

    With that said I'd prefer all racials that affect PvE/PvP performance to be gone altogether. Then I'd probably even stay Belf.

  5. #5325
    Quick question.. Read over the Ret guide on WoWAcademy, and is CS better to use over J during AW now?
    And what would optimal CLCret rotation be with/without t164set?

    Love the work your doing here!

  6. #5326
    Quote Originally Posted by Rexapoo View Post
    Quick question.. Read over the Ret guide on WoWAcademy, and is CS better to use over J during AW now?
    And what would optimal CLCret rotation be with/without t164set?

    Love the work your doing here!
    OP has rotation. You can use it for not having t16 4pc, as it's close enough (I assume you are working toward the 4pc and will get it eventually), just take out the DS's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexapoo View Post
    Quick question.. Read over the Ret guide on WoWAcademy, and is CS better to use over J during AW now?
    And what would optimal CLCret rotation be with/without t164set?
    You will need to make a modification to CLCret to get it to support the correct rotation:
    1) Download the alpha CLCinfo here
    2) Go to the retribution folder of the CLCinfo file that you downloaded and copy the "rotation.lua" file
    3) Paste this file into your CLCret addon folder and overwrite the current one
    4) You now have the ability to use the ds_4t16_aw rotational ability

    Optimal rotation is:
    inq ds_4t16_5hp tv5 how ds_4t16_aw tvaw cs j ds_4t16 exo tv3

    Best clash setup I've found so far is HoW clash at .3 and CS clash at .15.
    Last edited by Rathimis; 2013-11-06 at 06:19 AM.

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    Btw wondered that when there was little discuss about best offpiece, wouldnt malkoroks legplates of willful doom be the best offpiece before killing hc garrosh? 3 sockets and trading haste to mastery, keeping the 40% close

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    Quote Originally Posted by konne View Post
    Btw wondered that when there was little discuss about best offpiece, wouldnt malkoroks legplates of willful doom be the best offpiece before killing hc garrosh? 3 sockets and trading haste to mastery, keeping the 40% close
    Either offset the shoulders from Protectors (2blue sockets + haste and mastery as base stats) or the Garrosh legs (3 sockets, 2 blue 1 red iirc + haste and mastery as base stats)
    Because we'll have Protectors and Paragons dead before Garrosh you might as well run with the shoulders offset and run with tier legs until you get the HC garrosh legs.
    The difference is really small though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Either offset the shoulders from Protectors (2blue sockets + haste and mastery as base stats) or the Garrosh legs (3 sockets, 2 blue 1 red iirc + haste and mastery as base stats)
    Because we'll have Protectors and Paragons dead before Garrosh you might as well run with the shoulders offset and run with tier legs until you get the HC garrosh legs.
    The difference is really small though.
    So u mean normal garrosh legs is in same situation as hc shoulders and willful dooms? doesnt seem right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathimis View Post
    You will need to make a modification to CLCret to get it to support the correct rotation:
    1) Download the alpha CLCinfo
    2) Go to the retribution folder of the CLCinfo file that you downloaded and copy the "rotation.lua" file
    3) Paste this file into your CLCret addon folder and overwrite the current one
    4) You now have the ability to use the ds_4t16_aw rotational ability
    Which version did you use? Imported the latest version, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't add that code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by konne View Post
    So u mean normal garrosh legs is in same situation as hc shoulders and willful dooms? doesnt seem right
    My situation (12/14hc)
    Not access to HC tier legs or HC offset legs.
    Got access to HC (have HC + WF) offset shoulders and normal tier legs.

    Because the offset shoulders are interchangeable with the offset legs you should use the things that come first.
    If you go for legs offset you have to wait until you got garrosh dead (boss 14) and Blackfuse dead (boss 12)
    If you go for shoulders offset you have to wait until you got Protectors down (boss 2) and Paragons down (boss 13)
    The difference is super small but everyone will have access to the shoulders offset combination much earlier than the legs.
    If you're lucky enough to have 5/5 hc tier in your bags but you have HC + WF shoulders and only normal offset legs you'll go with the higher item level (being shoulders) because you most likely had many more kills of that.

    BiS Legs HC + WF wins over Shoulders HC + WF but the difference isn't much to talk about, just use the combination that gives you the highest ilvl assuming the two choices have the same base stats (haste + mastery in this case)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thete View Post
    Which version did you use? Imported the latest version, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't add that code.
    My bad, I thought I included the link, its: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/clc...iles/589-r297/

    This is the alpha version of CLCinfo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maegor View Post
    Go post on the official forums about expanding class/race combos and watch people's heads explode. Fucking lore nerds act like it's a damn game breaker. Can you imagine getting a mini lust with every kings (although gala trink fucks up the timing).
    Honestly? I would flip a lid if Forsaken got Paladins. As well as most other races, period.

    I think expanding class/race combos are fine, as long as it works, is sensical, and organic.

    Paladin, Druids, and Shamans however, are fine being "highly" exclusive.


    On the topic of CLCInfo, someone should remake that thread and upkeep it.
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    easy to say. Atleast shamans get all the quality races. Druids too mostly.

    Paladins? Big shaft.

    Blizzard isn't stupid look at the Goblin , Worgen, and Panda Racial kits. All relatively new. Hell forsaken kit is pretty much brand new.

    They know how to make half decent racials. Taurens and Elves need gutted bigtime now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    easy to say. Atleast shamans get all the quality races. Druids too mostly.

    Paladins? Big shaft.

    Blizzard isn't stupid look at the Goblin , Worgen, and Panda Racial kits.

    They know how to make half decent racials. Taurens and Elves need gutted bigtime now.
    Psht. We're fine as is.

    Remove racials (RIP everyman) and we'll end up being fine. Immersion still matters on a certain level. Lord knows I did love being a Cow Paladin but Warstomp was only so meh to handle.

    I just can't wait to be human and not look like an utter piece of shit. New models next week please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krekko View Post
    Psht. We're fine as is.

    Remove racials (RIP everyman) and we'll end up being fine. Immersion still matters on a certain level. Lord knows I did love being a Cow Paladin but Warstomp was only so meh to handle.

    I just can't wait to be human and not look like an utter piece of shit. New models next week please.
    its not like it's a hard concept though

    Give the race An active use DPS or PvP type ability.

    Depending on your active you get a 1% racial to a Combat rating

    niche things like -1% arcane -1% Nature is fucking retarded while stuff like Nightelves get is actually fairly potent.


    Even worse is when some classes have like 4 racials and you have three. Not just 3 but their pretty shit =1% arcane +10 enchant. slow down tiger.

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    I agree that it's not hard, it's just at what point is it simply not worth it and more beneficial to the game to have people just choose for looks rather than an added spell/bonus.

    I mean it's just been so far long gone and neglected. I'd much rather have racials that have no direct gameplay value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanderhuge View Post
    I get the really bad feeling that we'll see one of the following:

    1) Holy Pallies using an odd Strength to SP scaling so that Int Plate can be removed from the game, with current Int/Spirit pieces being swapped to Str/Haste/Mastery. They could do something along the lines of making Haste or Mastery increase combat regen. This wouldn't be bad for the Rets out there who OS Holy, as Prot is already fairly painless for a swap.

    2) Another plate class is introduced that uses Int Plate exclusively. Holy Pallies everywhere shed many tears.

    As for Ret, still feeling that Seal of Truth/Righteousness change how abilities work instead of adding passive damage. Truth gives CS, Judge, Exo (with DoT), TV. Right gives HotR, Holy Wrath, Mass Exo, DStorm. Justice could probably give CS, Judge + Slow/Root, Exo, Holy TV. All three have Hammer of Wrath.
    I like your direction but your blatant lack of Consecration is concerning me.
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    Im still abit confused regarding gemming. i know i should gem keen until exp cap. but after exp cap?

    Is mastery more damage per point than str?
    should i use JC mastery, haste or str gem?
    im feeling ok with my haste atm (16k) should i go full mastery or str then after exp cap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittycovox View Post
    Im still abit confused regarding gemming. i know i should gem keen until exp cap. but after exp cap?

    Is mastery more damage per point than str?
    should i use JC mastery, haste or str gem?
    im feeling ok with my haste atm (16k) should i go full mastery or str then after exp cap?
    After expertise gems use the strength counterpart.

    Use the JC gems as strength

    Keep going at haste until ~40%.

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