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  1. #781
    after so many reforges simcrafts etc i realize that in shadow nothing really worth....so as personal playstyle i am at 14.8 haste and full mastery found this 1:1 ratio not working so well as the full mastery does and 4 set bonus....god help this spec !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpougatsa View Post
    after so many reforges simcrafts etc i realize that in shadow nothing really worth....so as personal playstyle i am at 14.8 haste and full mastery found this 1:1 ratio not working so well as the full mastery does and 4 set bonus....god help this spec !!!
    A full mastery build? I haven't tried that, what % mastery can you get up to?
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  3. #783
    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    A full mastery build? I haven't tried that, what % mastery can you get up to?
    i am at 46.5 mastery,20.08 crit and dp3...but its personal style doesnt mean its correct but srs this 1:1 crit/mastery ratio found it really weird from the first time i see it and dont think work better than full mastery buid ( DP3 always )

  4. #784
    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    A full mastery build? I haven't tried that, what % mastery can you get up to?
    Our other SP is a full mastery build (after DP=3) he sits a smidge under 17k mastery on the char sheet

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Nukez/advanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryManaLow View Post
    Our other SP is a full mastery build (after DP=3) he sits a smidge under 17k mastery on the char sheet

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Nukez/advanced
    Wow, so raid buffed she'd probably getting up to like... 75% mastery tick proc chance o.O

    I might give that a try during tomorrow's raid just to see how it feels, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    Wow, so raid buffed she'd probably getting up to like... 75% mastery tick proc chance o.O

    I might give that a try during tomorrow's raid just to see how it feels, thanks!
    Ye, think he said its close to 75%.

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-aqgatscsr0ltdajj/

    heres yesterdays logs (yes i admit i do die alot, ive been healing until 2 weeks ago, still havent fully got the grasp of the fights from a dps persepective )

    fight dependent we are +/ - each other (i got 4pc after nazgrim) we are trialling another SP, so basically we were putting him through his paces. we allowed nukez to cheese nazgrim, then i cheesed blackfuse :P

    for the 3 shadows that are there...

    nukez is 576ilvl, DP+3 them mastery
    tjorv (ilvl 568) and myself (ilvl 572) are DP+3 + balanced stats

  7. #787
    Quote Originally Posted by mpougatsa View Post
    i am at 46.5 mastery,20.08 crit and dp3...but its personal style doesnt mean its correct but srs this 1:1 crit/mastery ratio found it really weird from the first time i see it and don't think work better than full mastery buid ( DP3 always )
    I'm running an even crit/mastery build currently, was actually unintentional at first. Ended up being that after some reforge adjustments to min-max on simcraft. Only noticed I was at 8150 on both afterwards looking at armory. (going for gcd now that I got garrosh's trinket)
    Honestly the only fight I would consider doing all out mastery build on is protectors just based on what a ridiculous percentage of my damage there is from dots. I do remember a mastery build being a significant boost when we were progressing that fight on heroic, but the amount of damage it cost me on single target just wasn't worth it. With the way our raids are going currently we need a lot more focused damage than we do cleave damage so I'm running the crit build more out of necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryManaLow View Post
    Ye, think he said its close to 75%.

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-aqgatscsr0ltdajj/

    heres yesterdays logs (yes i admit i do die alot, ive been healing until 2 weeks ago, still havent fully got the grasp of the fights from a dps persepective )

    fight dependent we are +/ - each other (i got 4pc after nazgrim) we are trialling another SP, so basically we were putting him through his paces. we allowed nukez to cheese nazgrim, then i cheesed blackfuse :P

    for the 3 shadows that are there...

    nukez is 576ilvl, DP+3 them mastery
    tjorv (ilvl 568) and myself (ilvl 572) are DP+3 + balanced stats
    How consistent is your IJ damage in comparison to what you normally do? That damage spread (you at 297k with crit/equal build, him at 246 with a mastery build) is pretty consistent with the damage loss I was seeing using this build on a single target fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestar View Post
    How consistent is your IJ damage in comparison to what you normally do? That damage spread (you at 297k with crit/equal build, him at 246 with a mastery build) is pretty consistent with the damage loss I was seeing using this build on a single target fight.
    Well, I think the argument is mostly just that it 'feels' nice - I'm not expecting a damage increase here It's just a fun experiment, plus - it supports my firm belief that the solution to existence is... MOAR DOTS

    The infinite polka-dot death theory of the universe - in which reality is suddenly bespeckled with a trillion, trillion, trillion polka dots - and then... Nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    Well, I think the argument is mostly just that it 'feels' nice - I'm not expecting a damage increase here It's just a fun experiment, plus - it supports my firm belief that the solution to existence is... MOAR DOTS

    The infinite polka-dot death theory of the universe - in which reality is suddenly bespeckled with a trillion, trillion, trillion polka dots - and then... Nothing.
    Definitely, when I was trying out the mastery heavy build, seeing like 6 ticks at a time on 3 targets was awesome. Made for some pretty impressive Devouring Plague self healing too. I could definitely see some value to using it for boss solo's.

    If they go through with the dot snapshot removal I suspect mastery will be the way to go assuming we can accurately hit haste breakpoints without reforging. Now that crit ticks will only be the current spellpower dmg like mastery is instead of the inflated ones we're seeing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestar View Post
    How consistent is your IJ damage in comparison to what you normally do? That damage spread (you at 297k with crit/equal build, him at 246 with a mastery build) is pretty consistent with the damage loss I was seeing using this build on a single target fight.
    I have no real comparison if im being honest. last week my MB usage even with DI was atrocious and i was approx 5% over hit cap due to using some healer gear, it was jsut under 250k dps and the fight was 30secs longer. I prefer a "crit-ier" build, if only to see the 1mill + MD's more often with 4pc

  11. #791
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestar View Post
    Definitely, when I was trying out the mastery heavy build, seeing like 6 ticks at a time on 3 targets was awesome. Made for some pretty impressive Devouring Plague self healing too. I could definitely see some value to using it for boss solo's.

    If they go through with the dot snapshot removal I suspect mastery will be the way to go assuming we can accurately hit haste breakpoints without reforging. Now that crit ticks will only be the current spellpower dmg like mastery is instead of the inflated ones we're seeing now.
    I think you may be right. Another thing that may drive the focus on mastery is the talent that allows our direct damage spells to be affected by mastery and causes MS to lower the CD on MB (if it stays). I feel like that combined with FDCL and the dot changes will make mastery a very valuable stat.

  12. #792
    I'm noticing my DPS is pretty poor on my ~505 ilvl SP. I know a lot of it is me adjusting to the class (newer player to it this expansion), but one question wasn't answered when reading the guide... With the popularity of AffDots_Priest and similar addons, is it expected that you would refresh your dots - even one you just applied - to buff it with new procs?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    I'm noticing my DPS is pretty poor on my ~505 ilvl SP. I know a lot of it is me adjusting to the class (newer player to it this expansion), but one question wasn't answered when reading the guide... With the popularity of AffDots_Priest and similar addons, is it expected that you would refresh your dots - even one you just applied - to buff it with new procs?

    Thanks!
    SWP is more forgiving when it comes to refreshing due to its front damage and being instant, so it's safe to refresh it whenever you get a proc that'll make SWP more powerful. VT is trickier though, in general you should try to stick to your priorities and only refresh it until either VT or the proc is running out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dierdre View Post
    SWP is more forgiving when it comes to refreshing due to it's front damage and being instant, so it's safe to refresh it whenever you get a proc that'll make SWP more powerful. VT is trickier though, in general you should try to stick to your priorities and only refresh it until either VT or the proc is running out.
    That makes sense. I've been refreshing both and I think I'm realizing how many MF ticks I miss out on through the course of a fight. Thanks!

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    heh I'm sitting at haste cap with 62%~ mastery and 23%~ crit (I don't have Amp. trinket ×C), and I like them many numbers errywhere, with Bis gear I can get up to 73% and more if I will sacrifice some more crit, don't wanna get rid of beloved 18215 haste cap :<
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    GCD cap is *18215
    18200 is baseline VT +3 breakpoint


    There is no Haste cap at 18200, but there is one at 18215. There is a breakpoint at 18200, but the cap is at 18215.


    Sorry to be repetitive but it's something I see people get wrong an awful lot.
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    I know it, but I rather call them the same since the true difference in them is about 0.03% haste

  18. #798
    Okay so my opener might be flawed. I have Black Blood and the Immerius trinket. If I start with 3 shadow orbs should I save my plague for when my Black blood hits 10 stacks? I think ive been it wrong.

    Lets say I start with zero orbs, both my trinkets proc at the start so I was stalling putting dots up until Black blood hit 9 so I would just mindflay/Orb generate. Then when it hit 9 id super charge my dots with both trinket procs. Should I still put up some dots before that 10 seconds?

    Also are LDM gem procs stronger than int procs for refreshing dots?

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    I capped myself at DP+3 for Haste, 25% raid buffed Crit, then the rest into Mastery. I've done some really solid DPS with this build, but found that some people on WoL that had more DPS(e) than I did were rocking about 7% more Crit than I was, which put them closer to the 32/33% raid buffed Crit mark. This will bring my Mastery down 12-15% though.

    As soon as I get a non-flex Imm. trinket and Garrosh's trinket I want to aim for the GCD Haste cap, maybe bump my Crit closer to 30% raid buffed, then go back to Mastery.

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    Hi, I was wondering if it is worth it to forgo the socket bonuses on the gear to reach the 14k++ haste breakpoint? Because that is what AskMrRobot has told me to do.

    This is my priest: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...3%B8n/advanced

    Thanks in advance!

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