1. #1

    Fire dps difficulties

    Hi, just came back to the game about a month ago, and I went straight into DS Heroic with all heroic previous content gear. I understand that my dps would be low; however, I now have 5 pieces of heroic DS gear(two trinkets/heroic gloves,legs, and shoulders), and I am only pulling 32k on heroic Ultra. I've been doing my research on the web, I understand that you would want at least 1550 haste, and then focus on crit. I have no idea why my dps is lacking oomf, and I'm asking someone out there to help me out. Is it the lack of heroic DS gear, am I reforging incorrectly?

    ---------- Post added 2012-07-07 at 08:31 PM ----------

    It's not letting me link anything atm, so whoever is interested in looking at WOL, and my character, please search the character Torpinoo on the Realm Spirestone US.
    Last edited by Blueboy23; 2012-07-08 at 03:59 AM.

  2. #2
    Grunt
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    Hi,

    I'm playing a mage as main char and I'm going to analyze what is wrong with your char.

    Nothing wrong with your gear, hit capped, enough haste (you should have at least 1505, not 1550), enough crit. Now you can go for more haste (will boost your dps because the more haste, the more Combustion ticks).

    I found a recent log in which you participated. I'll analyze what you did boss by boss:

    - Morchok hc: 70% LB uptime isn't great, try to keep it up more (you can totally refresh it and continue dpsing while hiding behind spikes). You only had 14 combustion ticks, which is super low considering: 1. You're a troll (pew pew berserking) 2. On a 2min fight, you could cast Combustion only once, so you should have done so under Time Warp/Bloodlust. I manage to get 20 ticks sometimes with the Insignia proc, Time Warp, Berserking and stacks of Stolen time (try to wait 10 stacks, because 2005 haste already give you 2 extra Combustion ticks if I'm not mistaking). Don't know if you did, but at the beginning when the boss splits in two, multi dot them! Try to adjust your deplacement: be only one scorch away from the crystal.

    - Zon'ozz hc: LB uptime is better, but you only casted one Combustion. Maybe you didn't have 4 parts at the time, but on a 4 minutes fight you should now be able to cast Combustion three time at least, given the reduction on its CD through the number of Stolen Time stacks. You only had 15 ticks, which leads me to think that you didn't use combustion under Berserking nor Time Warp/Bloodlust. I personally try to keep a HS proc to put up my Combustion on Zon'ozz during the black phase, because he takes a lot more damage, so you can see crazy ignite numbers sometimes (but not under Time Warp then because we use it outside black phase...). Don't forget to at least dot the boss during black phase for the same reason.

    - Yors'ahj hc: Again, you only used Combustion twice, but you probably didn't have 4 parts at the time. Now, try to use it as soon as its CD is back up. On Yor'sahj hc, you have a Black Ooze nearly every wave of oozes. You HAVE TO WAIT for the black ooze to be absorbed by the boss, and for the black little adds to spawn, to use Combustion and spread it onto the little adds (if done soon enough, you should be able to do this on each wave, if you kept your stacks of stolen time of course). I'm guessing you know the mechanic of spreading dots (through Impact = Fireblast proc, which procs best from Blast wave/Flamestrike). This is the key to crazy dps on Yor'sahj hc for fire mage

    - Hagara hc: used Combustion twice, but you should use it when tombs spawn, so that you can spread your Combustion onto the tombs. I might be wrong though because I raid in 25 man and there are much more tombs then in 10man. If I'm wrong, then you should wait for the moment where Hagara is stunned (right out of a lightning or frost phase) to use it because she takes much more damage during 15 sec (and you can get a crazy ignite number!).

    - Ultraxion hc: 32k dps isn't that bad in my opinion, considering you don't have legendary. You used Combustion three times and got 50 ticks overall which is good. Ultraxion is a fight where you can suffer badly from rng sometimes, don't beat yourself too much...

    - Warmaster hc: key to this fight is multi dotting of course, and I replace my Molten Armor glyph by LB glyph. Don't know how you managed to get only 29 combustion ticks overall while casting it three times...

    - Spine hc: can't tell you much, except have a macro ready to use when tendon is targetable to pop everything (gem, trinket or alchemy bonus/berserking, arcane power,...). Try to already have 4 stacks of AB when tendon is up. You can also proc Incanter's Absorption by putting up a shield on yourself after the amalgamation exploded. You also have to be full mana (for mastery effectiveness) so keep Flame orb to regen mana while dpsing amalgamations if Evocation isn't off cd.

    - Madness normal: key to this fight is proccing a lot of Spellweave (Kalecgos' bonus) through multi dotting, so always multi dot LB and pyrodot on arm/tentacle & corruption at the same time (32 LB for the whole fight is clearly too low), on the elementium bolt, on the bloods, on the terrors in phase 2, etc. Blizzard is the spell that procs spellweave the most (but that's more for hc => on the bloods). Try to use Combustion on the arm/tentacle after the Cataclysm starts to being channeled (= increased damage). Spread dots on the bloods (but on normal difficulty they die pretty quickly).

    So basically work on Combustion. Use an addon like CombustionHelper or MyBigIgnite to track the ignite value and if it's worth using combustion. Track stacks of Stolen Time, and Insignia haste proc among others.

    I hope this helped,

    Good luck!

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Shayrubine View Post
    - Hagara hc: used Combustion twice, but you should use it when tombs spawn, so that you can spread your Combustion onto the tombs. I might be wrong though because I raid in 25 man and there are much more tombs then in 10man. If I'm wrong, then you should wait for the moment where Hagara is stunned (right out of a lightning or frost phase) to use it because she takes much more damage during 15 sec (and you can get a crazy ignite number!).
    In 10 man using it on the tombs is a complete waste. There's only 2 of them and they (should) die in a couple of seconds. Always use it during Feedback in 10 man.

  4. #4
    It would help if you posted your group comp too.

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