Former UK Foreign minister: 'Al Qaeda doesn't exist'

[Sealed Shut]

This is what people have been saying for the last 10 years, that Al Qaeda was a fake entity manufactured by the US government so that the US had an excuse to occupy Afghani oil fields as a "tactical occupation" while exxon mobil was pulling oil out of those fields and selling it on US soil. It was unpatriotic to say it though.

Widely known: The Bush administration received large amounts of funding from Exxon Mobil and other oil companies.



The "War on Terror" cost the US trillions of dollars...

And made Bush and his friends in the oil company billions.

Bankrupting the people for personal profit? Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

In early 2001 several months before September 11, Bush, Cheney, and several oil executives met under Cheney's Energy Task Force for several meetings. The records and documents of these meetings were released under the freedom of information act, but were all "Blanked out" except for a few maps of Afghani Oil fields. When this was challenged, Executive Privilege was exercised, and the contents of those files has yet to see the light of day.

This entire post is full of it. Such baseless slander and ignorance. post some proof or don't post at all.

Obama is a huge recipient of donations from oil companies... BP for example http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html

**try to link from creditable sites, not liberal think/blog holes...

[Activi-T]

I don't like speaking ill of the dead but wasn't Robin Cook a notorious drunk?

[Theinquisition]

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24738

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

What do you think? I wasn't aware of this until recently ^^

I'll put it simply, Al Queda was formed by Usama Bin Laden after the Saudis decided to accept the help of the UN in the fight against Iraq in the first Gulf war.

Bin Laden was pissed about Having "infidels" in the muslim holy lands.

Al queda didn't even exist during the Soviet occupation of Afganistan (by this name)

---------- Post added 2012-07-09 at 03:04 PM ----------

Ah yes, "Al-Qaeda." The fanatical group of Islamic zealots, allegedly waiting in Afghanistan caves. We have dismissed that claim.

I've heard some ridiculous theories on why the US is at war in the middle east . . . this one takes the cake. If we're at war to make money, given that we are now trillions of dollars in debt because of it, our scheme apparently backfired.

The Taliban and Al queda while similar in agenda and beliefs are COMPLETELY different organizations.

[JimPaladin]

Please start banning the people who keep coming in here saying "HAHAHA DATS SO STUPID HE SAY IT WAS TO MAKE MONEY CUZ THE US ISNT MAKING MONEY"

They're adding nothing but pure, unrefined ignorance to this thread.

This entire post is full of it. Such baseless slander and ignorance. post some proof or don't post at all.

It's not exactly a big secret that the Government wanted to go to Iraq for the oil.

Whether or not you believe 9/11 or anything like that was a set up or the Bush/Oil Company records were about setting up oil fields in the middle east or whatever isn't the real point. They wanted to go there for the oil, everything else was just a way for them to get the public's support for it.

[Cthulhu 2020]

This entire post is full of it. Such baseless slander and ignorance. post some proof or don't post at all.

Obama is a huge recipient of donations from oil companies... BP for example http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html

**try to link from creditable sites, not liberal think/blog holes...

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...come-to-light/
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/new...ion-uses-fuzz/
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_rel...g-tobacco.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...rgy_Task_Force

Admittedly Greenpeace is full of liberal agenda, but it's kind of silly to ask for credible sites, then link a news site that is known to be bias towards the right. All of the others are politically neutral... unless you consider the fact that 72% of university educated scientists (87% of ivy league) are liberal and want to call the UCSUSA bias just because it's composed entirely of educated scientists, then I'd also accept that.

Admittedly the post I made is a bit loaded, and there is a leap from the facts to the conclusion made... but the frightening part is that the leap of logic isn't a far one.

[Sealed Shut]

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...come-to-light/
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/new...ion-uses-fuzz/
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_rel...g-tobacco.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...rgy_Task_Force

Admittedly Greenpeace is full of liberal agenda, but it's kind of silly to ask for credible sites, then link a news site that is known to be bias towards the right. All of the others are politically neutral... unless you consider the fact that 72% of university educated scientists (87% of ivy league) are liberal and want to call the UCSUSA bias just because it's composed entirely of educated scientists, then I'd also accept that.

let's call them link 1 - 5.
1. to quote someone from that story "Hardly a smoking gun. You can be sure that all admins since Carter had contingency plans in place to secure middle east oil fields in the event that free flow of oil to world markets was threatened."
2. not even gonna talk about this one
3. this has absolutely nothing to do with anything we have talked about.... are you just 'google +link top sites?'
4. informative on the energy task force.. i no way supports his claims.
5. a secondary site which shows exactly the same page as 4...

please google more and read what you link.

---------- Post added 2012-07-09 at 04:27 PM ----------

Please start banning the people who keep coming in here saying "HAHAHA DATS SO STUPID HE SAY IT WAS TO MAKE MONEY CUZ THE US ISNT MAKING MONEY"

They're adding nothing but pure, unrefined ignorance to this thread.



It's not exactly a big secret that the Government wanted to go to Iraq for the oil.

Whether or not you believe 9/11 or anything like that was a set up or the Bush/Oil Company records were about setting up oil fields in the middle east or whatever isn't the real point. They wanted to go there for the oil, everything else was just a way for them to get the public's support for it.

do you enjoy your tin foil hat? you do realize that at no point in time has iraq oil import ever been more than 4.5% of our imported oil... you do realize that 300 mil barrels a year prior to 9/11 and since then, we've been below 200 mil per year since. yeah, it SEEMS like we went for oil....

[Cthulhu 2020]

You asked for sources to my claims, there they were, the facts remain that cheney, bush, and oil execs held over 40 secret meetings, the records of which were never released and the freedom of information act was overriden by executive privilege, something that obama exercised recently on an incident and received mega flak for.

I've read those pages, many times. It's a logical leap from the facts within them, but again, it's a very short logical leap.

Also 3 does have relevance to the topic, if only to illustrate Exxon's closeness to the Bush Administration. 4 and 5 you should also read completely, since there's a lot of info on all of the secrecy behind the energy task force, when there really shouldn't have been.

Link all of this back to the OP, that the words of the former UK foreign minister said that Al Qaeda wasn't some terrorist organization, but something the US made into a terrorist organization to feed its agendas to the people and make a war on terror more acceptable, when it was a war for oil, only continues to make more sense.

There's still a lot of holes and facts that need to be filled in, but every couple of years something comes out that further points in the direction that the "war on terror" was just some sensationalized cover as an excuse to occupy middle eastern oil fields.

[Theinquisition]

Please start banning the people who keep coming in here saying "HAHAHA DATS SO STUPID HE SAY IT WAS TO MAKE MONEY CUZ THE US ISNT MAKING MONEY"

They're adding nothing but pure, unrefined ignorance to this thread.



It's not exactly a big secret that the Government wanted to go to Iraq for the oil.

Whether or not you believe 9/11 or anything like that was a set up or the Bush/Oil Company records were about setting up oil fields in the middle east or whatever isn't the real point. They wanted to go there for the oil, everything else was just a way for them to get the public's support for it.

So many questions.

If what your saying is true, how much oil have we gotten from iraq....its been 10 years...wheres it all at?

Also, do you have substantial links between Bush and oil companies that have profited off any of this magical invisible oil?

---------- Post added 2012-07-09 at 03:48 PM ----------

You asked for sources to my claims, there they were, the facts remain that cheney, bush, and oil execs held over 40 secret meetings, the records of which were never released and the freedom of information act was overriden by executive privilege, something that obama exercised recently on an incident and received mega flak for.

I've read those pages, many times. It's a logical leap from the facts within them, but again, it's a very short logical leap.

Also 3 does have relevance to the topic, if only to illustrate Exxon's closeness to the Bush Administration. 4 and 5 you should also read completely, since there's a lot of info on all of the secrecy behind the energy task force, when there really shouldn't have been.

Link all of this back to the OP, that the words of the former UK foreign minister said that Al Qaeda wasn't some terrorist organization, but something the US made into a terrorist organization to feed its agendas to the people and make a war on terror more acceptable, when it was a war for oil, only continues to make more sense.

There's still a lot of holes and facts that need to be filled in, but every couple of years something comes out that further points in the direction that the "war on terror" was just some sensationalized cover as an excuse to occupy middle eastern oil fields.

if the meetings were secret, how did you know about it, and what were the meetins about?

[Cthulhu 2020]

if the meetings were secret, how did you know about it, and what were the meetins about?

Did you really just ask that? The fact that the meetings took place is known, the contents of the meetings, and their original scheduling was secret.

[Theinquisition]

Did you really just ask that? The fact that the meetings took place is known, the contents of the meetings, and their original scheduling was secret.

Was the meetings held on the fortress of doom? perhaps you are a secret agent of shield

[openair]

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

It is common knowledge that 30 years ago the above statement was correct (there was a holly wood movie about it). The US supplied and funded Afgan resistance to the Soviet invasion during the Cold War. Thats what a Cold War is. It was that or start WW3. Thats how Al Qaeda got started. Not anymore. After the break up of the Soviet Union (15+ years before the war on terror started) the US stopped funded them, and they are now looking for revenge for cutting off the cash flow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson's_War

"Charlie Wilson's War is a 2007 American biographical-drama film, recounting the true story of U.S. Congressman Charlie Wilson who partnered with CIA operative Gust Avrakotos to launch Operation Cyclone, a program to organize and support the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan."

[Theinquisition]

It is common knowledge that 30 years ago the above statement was correct. The US supplied and funded Afgan resistance to the Soviet invasion during the Cold War. Thats what a Cold War is. It was that or start WW3. Thats how Al Qaeda got started. Not anymore. After the break up of the Soviet Union the US stopped funded them, and they are now looking for revenge for cutting off the cash flow.

That was the Mujaheen, not Al-queda

[Deleted]

Al Qaeda are the remnants of Jewish freedom fighters from WWII-era and are mistaking all whites for Nazis.

Everything solved.

[Tragedia]

Didn't Eduardo Galeano said something like this before?

[Palmatum]

That was the Mujaheen, not Al-queda

Taliban, but yeah.

They also trained Bin Laden when he was a Taliban Field Commander as well.

[Deleted]

Al qaida is like " false communism ", pure BS financed by eastern Banks. Like adolp and sionnists bankers building Israel before WW2.

"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."

[Theinquisition]

Taliban, but yeah.

They also trained Bin Laden when he was a Taliban Field Commander as well.

not trying to be snide, there are just TONS of people who don't know the difference between Al Queda, mujaheen, and the taliban.

[openair]

That was the Mujaheen, not Al-queda

Yea, they gave themselves a new name. Woopied Doo. Not all of them obviously, but some of the same people, same training, same weapons, same left over funds.

I am not trying to say funding them was a bad idea, or the US should be blamed for their terrorist activities today. They didn't want to be invaded by the USSR. The US helped them. How were they to know SOME would get all cry baby about daddy cutting off the funds after they won?

[Theinquisition]

Yea, they gave themselves a new name. Woopied Doo. Not all of them obviously, but some of the same people, same training, same weapons, same left over funds.

I am not trying to say funding them was a bad idea, or the US should be blamed for their terrorist activities today. They didn't want to be invaded by the USSR. The US helped them. How were they to know SOME would get all cry baby about daddy cutting off the funds after they won?

The biggest grudge they had with us was the Saudis turning to us to defend them from Saddam, instead of them. Bin Laden was pissed about us infidels in the holy land...for any reason.

Mujaheen went from being a 3rd rate rebel ragtag army to Al-Queda, an global terroristic organization

[Cthulhu 2020]

Was the meetings held on the fortress of doom? perhaps you are a secret agent of shield

So I take it you don't believe that meetings can be held in secret and the fact that they happened found out later? Yep, intelligence has left the building.