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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    That'd be a lot of empty buildings. A whole empty horde segment, all the shops removed, a bank removed, the whole profession wing removed, underbelly gone.
    I'm sure Blizzard could fill it with something.

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    OK to all the people who are saying that there cannot be 2 Dalarans. When you go to TBC/WoTLK, you are travelling back in time to these zones as the events contained within them have already happened to anyone in the revamped old world. If it were up to you whiners, the game would never evolve at all.

    You have just returned from the ravaged world that is known as Outland, with your victories now behind you Varian Wyrnn has asked that you sail to Northrend to help defeat Arthas' Undead Scourge. Eager for more glory you get on the first boat from Menithil Harbour to head to the besieged city of Valgarde. As you approach land through the mist filled air you can start to make out tall cliffs, the damp wind chilling you to the bone. Your boat enters a chasm and as it makes it way slowly between the cliffs and around the rocks jutting up from the sea floor, ahead you see light piercing the mist from above. You let out a gasp as you see a boat, similar to your suspended 100 feet above you in flames.

    Preparing yourself for the worst your nerves tense as the boat enters a cave, and swings around to dock at Valgarde. You grab your weapons and head slowly out into the town. A guard runs up, crying for help. You approach him and ask him how you can be of service in battling the undead. He looks at you, and says "Sorry to break it to ya mate but the wars over, we defeated Arthas over 2 years ago. Now you can either head back to Menithil or help us gather 1000000 pieces of meat from Shoveltusks to help feed the people here."



    Or we could have Blizzard have each expansion redo an old expansion to fit the new lore, but then you would whine about waiting for 3 expansions that had the same content as previous ones before we got a new continent.


    This is basically how whiners operate

    waaaahhhh there can't be two Dalarans because it messes up lore.


    OK, so you understand that WoTLK happens before Mists right?

    wahhhh Blizz needs to fix lore!


    So you would rather the have them take time to redo Northrend to fit the new lore?

    wahhhhhh! want new content now!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landin55 View Post
    Oh I have thought about what has been said and what has been presented. Metzen said this was just the beginning but I guess we won't know till it happens.
    Then he doubled-back at the press event saying we'd defeat Garrosh in the final raid, and end his term as Warchief.

    Under most conditions, this means Thrall takes over and peace returns.



    Unless if all of Siege of Orgrimmar is a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Then he doubled-back at the press event saying we'd defeat Garrosh in the final raid, and end his term as Warchief.

    Under most conditions, this means Thrall takes over and peace returns.



    Unless if all of Siege of Orgrimmar is a lie.
    This expansion doesn't have to be three patches, they could make it drag on as long as they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Then he doubled-back at the press event saying we'd defeat Garrosh in the final raid, and end his term as Warchief.

    Under most conditions, this means Thrall takes over and peace returns.



    Unless if all of Siege of Orgrimmar is a lie.
    LOL who says Garrosh is enough? After this I'm sure the Alliance will want more blood. And we all know Varian won't stop at Garrosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    All things considered, this has got me thinking.

    Is MoP too little time to have all the war people want? Should we have one more expansion after MoP that takes the war up to 11 and does all this crazy stuff like moving capitals around?
    I think it's pretty much a given that we'll go back to the two factions working together after this expansion (they even said something about it in the last Blizzcon), so Blizzard would better pack up all the war they can in this.

    Wars can more pretty quickly, if the patches are released at the usual pace we could have a pretty decent escalation culminating in the siege of a faction capital. Is it going to be as much war as some people would like? Probably not, you can't please everybody. But it could bring a taste of factional conflict into the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    All things considered, this has got me thinking.

    Is MoP too little time to have all the war people want? Should we have one more expansion after MoP that takes the war up to 11 and does all this crazy stuff like moving capitals around?
    Well to be honest they may have missed a golden opportunity to do what they do now, in Cata. It would have really tied in well and made the changing landscape part of the expansion more. I don't mind they didn't though, this is all in hindsight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landin55 View Post
    LOL who says Garrosh is enough? After this I'm sure the Alliance will want more blood. And we all know Varian won't stop at Garrosh.
    But Metzen also said Varian would be the greatest human king ever.

    What? Being a warmongerer like Garrosh?


    It's not adding up. The press event pretty much all said "MoP is it." While Blizzcon said "There's more."

    I'm tempted to go with the Press Event since it was more recent. Seems either Morhaime or Activision said "no, MoP is all."
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    Jaina doesn't run Dalaran, the Kirin Tor do. They are neutral. Also, Dalaran as it exists now is in WotLK state which means it will stay neutral unless Blizz actually makes another copy of it somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    But Metzen also said Varian would be the greatest human king ever.

    What? Being a warmongerer like Garrosh?


    It's not adding up. The press event pretty much all said "MoP is it." While Blizzcon said "There's more."

    I'm tempted to go with the Press Event since it was more recent. Seems either Morhaime or Activision said "no, MoP is all."
    You say things like "Warmonger" I say things like "Revenge well deserved.". And that greatest human king just reassures to me that things are changing and the the true original Alliance of Human kingdoms is coming back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Well to be honest they may have missed a golden opportunity to do what they do now, in Cata. It would have really tied in well and made the changing landscape part of the expansion more. I don't mind they didn't though, this is all in hindsight.
    Cata was a letdown in that light. I remember when the second major lore point was "The Allaince and Horde fighting over Azeroth's limited resources."

    All we got was 3 zones of that, sadly. It was overshadowed by the PvE crowd.

    Not going to lie, but Blizzard is nearly out of ideas. They've clearly given up on getting people out in the world (portals added to the Shrines was the killing blow), and it looks like they gave up in Cata on adding PvP elements into PvE storylines.

    I think we're going to see the Wrath model being the default content/story model going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harsesis View Post
    Jaina doesn't run Dalaran, the Kirin Tor do. They are neutral. Also, Dalaran as it exists now is in WotLK state which means it will stay neutral unless Blizz actually makes another copy of it somewhere else.
    Have you not listened to this yet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    is she even powerful? what has she done, i don't read the books but i mostly here about what she DOESN'T do which is "get involved in anything".
    Canonically, she's one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth; she was Antonidas's pupil back when he was the ruler of the Kirin Tor (and Antonidas is fairly legendary after his death). It's one of those situations where she has a ton of power, but doesn't go around flashing it because she feels no need to.

    Mildly interested to see where they go with this, from her voice file it's apparent she's really calmed down after Theramore. Would like to see her take a logical approach to this as opposed to Varian's emotional.

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    Dalaran will be Theramore's replacement for sure.
    Did kosak, somewhere in his tweet, said that Jaina now rules Dalaran?

    Antonidas's pupil back when he was the ruler of the Kirin Tor
    He was NEVER the ruler, dalaran has worked under a council since its creation, with a magocracy (democracy of magic-users) as government style.
    As for why they are both refered as "leaders" nearly everywhere must be simply because they are (were, in the case of Antonidas) the most notable members of the Six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    Canonically, she's one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth; she was Antonidas's pupil back when he was the ruler of the Kirin Tor (and Antonidas is fairly legendary after his death). It's one of those situations where she has a ton of power, but doesn't go around flashing it because she feels no need to.

    Mildly interested to see where they go with this, from her voice file it's apparent she's really calmed down after Theramore. Would like to see her take a logical approach to this as opposed to Varian's emotional.
    From what I understand Kalecgos helps her calm down in the novel.

    And I'm glad to see you put one of the most powerful instead of the most powerful. Because the most powerful mage is a certain snake-woman under the Maelstrom.
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    Why are you even bringing Dalaran into this? Or even bringing up a city at all? There is nothing to indicate any of that.

    All this was in response to the fear that she would become neutral. That will not happen. That is all that can be taken from what the OP posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowkras View Post
    Did kosak, somewhere in his tweet, said that Jaina now rules Dalaran?
    It's from datamined voice quotes. Also I think it's mentioned in the new Jaina novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowkras View Post
    Did kosak, somewhere in his tweet, said that Jaina now rules Dalaran?
    like 500th time in thread this has been posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeina View Post
    Why are you even bringing Dalaran into this? Or even bringing up a city at all? There is nothing to indicate any of that.

    All this was in response to the fear that she would become neutral. That will not happen. That is all that can be taken from what the OP posted.
    That's why Dalaran is the point of discussion.

    We know Jaina takes over Dalaran. We know Metzen said she would no longer be a peacemaker.

    So the logical jump is that Dalaran would no longer be neutral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowkras View Post
    Did kosak, somewhere in his tweet, said that Jaina now rules Dalaran?
    Datamined beta sound files have Jaina talking about how Kalec talked her down from the brink of a psychotic breakdown, and pulled strings to get her elected as the new head of the Council of Six, replacing Rhonin (no word on whether he dies, voluntarily stepped down to settle into a family man's life, stepped down to resume adventuring, or was ousted for some reason). Beta being beta, it might not go live, but Kosak seems to be pretty confident that it will, seeing as he responded to the whole 'Jaina going Neutral' bit (which I still would have liked, but it is what it is) that sprung up when the sound file started circulating.

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