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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    No, they're still stuck in BC. That's why they don't remember their Sunwell is powered by the light and decide to nuke a town.
    Using the light does not make you the epitome of good though, the Scarlet crusade would be a prime example.
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  2. #682
    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    "WTF THE HORDE SHOULDN'T GET KICKED OUT OF DALARAN!"

    "Oh, the Forsaken constantly attacking members of the Kirin Tor for the past 7 years? That's nothing!"

    Honestly, Dalaran has a shitton of reasons not to allow the Horde in. I do hope they finally take their side.
    Supposedly the Silverpone quests involving the Dalaran mages are considered a 'lore hiccup' and not canon. But that does still leave Netherguard, which is an alliance fort that clashes with the nearby orcs in the Blasted Lands and is supposedly run by Dalaran. (They even have dalaran tabards.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Correction, they joined the Alliance of Lordaeron.


    Again, the Grand Alliance is akin to the United Nations and the Alliance of Lordaeron is akin to the League of Nations. Both follow-up organizations.

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    A new organization remained, yes, but Dalaran fallen with the old one and focused afterwards to isolation (like Gilneas) to rebuilt itself. When reapeared, 3 years ago lorewise, it proclaimed neutrality.


    But, anyway, my point is Dalaran, right now, is not Alliance, they declined the invitation.
    A "new" organization remained? I thought the verb "to remain" implied the continuation of a pre-existing subject. The current Alliance is the Alliance of Lordaeron, but with some different members in it. The alliance between human nations, Khaz Modan and the gnomes did not stop because Lordaeron fell. Stormwind simply took the leadership and the Night Elves replaced Quel'thalas. The Draenei and Worgen followed. Dalaran was unnaccessible during Vanilla and TBC, but it was pretty much part of the Alliance. They only declared neutrality during WotLK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    Supposedly the Silverpone quests involving the Dalaran mages are considered a 'lore hiccup' and not canon. But that does still leave Netherguard, which is an alliance fort that clashes with the nearby orcs in the Blasted Lands and is supposedly run by Dalaran. (They even have dalaran tabards.)
    I think the quest designer for those Silverpine quests was rumoured to have not known or forgotten that Dalaran became neutral. Must've been a new kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHALET View Post
    "I'd rather not be forced to read a book to get a story from a game...
    Totally agree, that's why we pushed to get Theramore in-game as a playable event. But to get really inside a character's head - emotions, motivations, love story - well, that's good territory for novels to explore!"

    Inb4 she's a trophy wife to Varian.
    Seems like she's going to be Kalecgos' waifu, Clark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingercrab View Post
    Seems like she's going to be Kalecgos' waifu, Clark.
    And give birth to a Dragonborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenarien View Post
    I think the quest designer for those Silverpine quests was rumoured to have not known or forgotten that Dalaran became neutral. Must've been a new kid.
    That's what I hear, though really, I'm surprised that kind of thing didn't get caught in the planning stages or testing.

    It also doesn't explain Nethergarde Keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingercrab View Post
    Seems like she's going to be Kalecgos' waifu, Clark.
    That actually makes sense and I'm surprised that I never thought of that o.o Also if Dalaran becomes alliance only... its time to faction change... again... I need my flying piece of play time farm rock :s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    That's what I hear, though really, I'm surprised that kind of thing didn't get caught in the planning stages or testing.

    It also doesn't explain Nethergarde Keep.
    As far as I know, Nethergarde Keep was built during the Second War for the sole purpose of guarding the Dark Portal, not to attack the Horde (well, the present incarnation of the Horde anyway). Dalaran was part of the Alliance in that time, but the keep is necessary to guard the portal and justify a collaboration with the Alliance. Since the keep is not there to mount an attack against the Horde, Dalaran does not break its neutrality. Of course, if the Horde attacks Nethergarde, its inhabitants will defend it. Which is what happens in Blasted Lands. It's how I explain it.

  10. #690
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocheku View Post
    Whatever happens, its pretty damn obvious that the Dalaran in Northrend really isnt goin anywere, and neither is the Horde in said Dalaran.
    Doing so would force blizzard to create a new portal hub for the Horde, recreate/relocate the dailies for the Horde, make many changes to Horde/Neutral quests involving Dalaran, etc etc.
    I agree completely. There is NO way they would uproot Dalaran from being a neutral and CENTRAL part of NR just so Jaina can be in charge. So much work would go into a massive change like that.

    More than likely, there will be a 2nd city. Maybe not called Dalaran but possibly in the same place it USED to be. Maybe New Dalaran?


    EDIT: This is complete speculation (and I haven't gone through all the posts so excuse the repost if it's been said) but if Rhonin does die for some reason, then maybe they will call the new city Rhonin instead of New Dalaran. Just a thought....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    They'll probably rename the crater to New Dalaran or something.
    Why in gods name would they put it back in hillsbrad. the place is surrounded by the Forsaken legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangelo37 View Post
    This is complete speculation (and I haven't gone through all the posts so excuse the repost if it's been said) but if Rhonin does die for some reason, then maybe they will call the new city Rhonin instead of New Dalaran. Just a thought....
    I was about to shout "NO WAY!!" then I remembered they killed off Korialstrasz... How dare they! ;_; I support a political take over more as in perhaps Vereesa and the Silver Covenant working with Jaina, thought that would be a bit backstabbing considering she's married with Rhonin and they have twins which most likely won't be made into teenage super heroes in a future expansion. Hopefully.

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    Imagine that the flying city of Dalaran became full-Alliance.
    Now imagine that in the dark places of the Undercity the Forsaken have been building a necropolis.
    Now imagine Dalaran and the Necropolis going at war with each other in an epic air fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethenil View Post
    Imagine that the flying city of Dalaran became full-Alliance.
    Now imagine that in the dark places of the Undercity the Forsaken have been building a necropolis.
    Now imagine Dalaran and the Necropolis going at war with each other in an epic air fight
    this. if horde is gonna lose the only city in northrend, then a necropolis would be good

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    Don't get your hopes up, Blizzard won't remove Dalaran from Northend, if they decide to bring Dalaran back there will two, one in Northend for both factions, and one in Hillsbrad for the Alliance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethenil View Post
    Imagine that the flying city of Dalaran became full-Alliance.
    Now imagine that in the dark places of the Undercity the Forsaken have been building a necropolis.
    Now imagine Dalaran and the Necropolis going at war with each other in an epic air fight
    That would be very cool, but not really a route I see them go down. Then again the daily bombing runs would be awesome if Blizzard added this as the background sound. :P Then I could show them how I earned the title "Top Orc".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Jaina spent all her youth and adult life (before the Third War) on Dalaran, as Antonidas' protegee. Kul Tiras is just her birth nation.


    Anyway, the only assumption I dare to make is the Sunreavers will not escape this event, being some rogue agents or the entire organization. You can't have Jaina as leader of Kirin Tor with the Sunreavers on Dalaran.
    jaina isnt just going to take control of dalaran, dalaran is ruled over by a council. then again blizz doesnt care much for lore lately...
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    I don't really know how the quote relates to Dalaran at all but...

    It would be great for the Alliance to have the old Dalaran location back, especially after the destruction of Southshore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambigiouslynamed View Post
    jaina isnt just going to take control of dalaran, dalaran is ruled over by a council. then again blizz doesnt care much for lore lately...
    Jaina enters, kicks out Aethas Sunreaver who gives the Horde sanctuary in Dalaran and problem solved?

    Rhonin is considered to be the leader of the Kirin Tor and I guess the "chairman" of the council, where we have Aethas, Modera as actual members of the six.

    I don't know the fate of Ansirem and if he's still hostile to horde players after the changes back at the crater. Drenden I have no idea about anymore and if we should count Krasus/Korielstrasz as a member anymore idk. He hangs around Wyrmrest and died in the novels. So yeah.

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    I havent read the book and prolly wont but why would jaina kick out the sunreavers from dalaran thus kicking out the horde

    Im not sure what information they got out of that horde spy in theramore but if i was aethas sunreaver i would just plead the fifth and say "dont blame me i didnt do it" and just deny everything sure she could have her suspicions but she wont the balls to throw them out of the kirin tor

    Tbh i cant see them relocating dalaran any time soon if they was gonna they wouldve done it now in beta the time they bother to do anything with dalaran garrosh will be dead and her BFF will be back in charge of the horde and everything will be rosy again

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