The Kirin Tor hasn't had the Focusing Iris for a long time... if ever? It's been forever since I did the whole EoE attunement thing, but either way, it's immaterial - the Iris is back in the Nexus/Eye of Eternity as of the Dragon Soul raid. That's why we go there so AFKers can die in ice walls, remember? XD
I do agree, though, it seems like it's becoming downright trivial for more or less anyone to march into the Blues' sanctum nowadays.
Liking a city more than another is subjective, the fact Org was completely redone while SW received a texture update complete with charred towers, a knocked over stature and a massive hole is a fact.
Your own opinion of which city is better is irrelevant to this. One has a whole in it, the other doesn't.
Because Blizzard has such a sterling and spotless record when it comes to being straight with Alliance events...oh wait.
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Yeah..it's certainly because Varian's a brute...he's done so many unspeakable acts since he retook the reigns of Stormwind. He...no wait. Well he...uh. Maybe...no.
Oh yeah, he declared war in the Undercity...but chose peace at the end of WotLK...dang. So yeah, it'll have nothing to do with the Horde STEALING a magical device from Dalaran and using it on the home of a prominent Kirin Tor member. It'll be totally because Varian's a brute.
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STRESS
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it
It's an opinion that SW is a town filled with holes? I think it's a fact. I can see that there's a giant hole at the Park. I can see both entry towers are broken, I can see that a statue is down. It's not "my opinion" these things are there, they truly are.
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So the Shatterspear tribe town isn't a Horde town? Horde don't have quests there. And maybe that Alliance fortress in Durotar isn't Alliance? Because I don't think we, Alliance, have quests there. Or maybe today's Pyrewood isn't Alliance? We don't have quests there. Spare me this argument, none of us had quests in these places because Ambermill for example was in a Horde 10-20 zone. And that costal fortress in Durotar was in a Horde 1-10 zone.
I see those pointless discussions are still continuing. Why are you trying to discuss things are are destined to happen? Of course every fan of Hellscream or fanatic Horde fan won't accept that the Horde is soon going to lose everything. Doesn't matter how many logical reasons you can present them. They won't simply accept them.
I remember back on the start of Cataclysm it all started with Sylvannas. We had a 80% here who saw her actions the same as the Lich Kings. Then we had some Forsaken fanatic fans who kept trying to find pathetic excuses to present Sylvannas as a misunderstood person. Didn't mattered if in almost every quest the Forsaken were acting like the Scourge. For them they were just misunderstood and had a reason for doing that.
Then it was Garrosh. We saw him being a complete douche in the whole WOTLK and Cataclysm doing various crimes. He did some good acts but the crimes were far too much to be covered. There we had like an 80% who of course didn't like how Garrosh was written as a character. He had potential to be a good warchief but the way it was written it was really too late. Of course the Garrosh fans were seeing him as a misunderstood person and not as a criminal of war like the majority of us here.
I remember warning the Garrosh fans back then that Garrosh won't really last long as the whole world in the end will fight him in a Siege of Orgrimmar but all of them were telling me that this wouldn't happen because the Horde love Garrosh and bla bla bla bla bla. 5 Months later and we learn that in the end the Alliance and what's left from the Horde decided he is dangerous and joined forces to put him down. Score one for Darth-Piekus and zero for Garrosh Fangirls.
I also remember telling them back then that there will be a time where every neutral faction will simply turn against Garrosh's Horde because they will decide he is dangerous. They also told me that wouldn't happen. What do we see 6 months after? Jaina taking the lead of the Kirin Tor and them joining the Alliance and what's left from the Horde on their warfront agaisnt Hellscream. It hasn't been confirmed fully yet but 90% going there. Score two for Darth-Piekus and zero for Garrosh Fangirls.
I understand they like Garrosh Hellscream. He had the potential to be a good character. However they need to wake up from that dream world of theirs and land back to reality. Garrosh's character is butchered, he cannot be redeemed and he will be put down. I understand how they feel. Nobody likes losing but they need to understand that Garrosh was fighting a war he couldn't win for a planet in which was a guest. Azeroth has only place for Thrall's Honorable Horde not a Bloodthirsty Copy of the Demonic Horde.
As someone who has played Horde since Vanilla, I have to say that whoever has been writing the storyline for WoW has made the whole Alliance/Horde interaction nothing short of painful and agonizing since WoTLK. I mean seriously; we had a very cool storyline involving pulling Garrosh out of the throws of depression in TBC only for him - for no apparent reason *ever* explained aside from ham fisted Blizzard retconning - to become a total douche bag in WoTLK. Furthermore, the moment Garrosh started spouting his head off, Thrall should have taken him aside and physically beat him senseless for making him look bad.
This post is so fraught with bias that it's actually sickening. It's astonishing to see that your form of argument is equal parts fact, speculation, and insulting the opposition. I think you'd have a bright career ahead of you in American politics.
Also, I love that you had to call people "fangirls," as if being a "fanGIRL" is somehow worse than being a "fanBOY." That's incredibly sexist and offensive.
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What happened to Rhonin?
It boils down to this.
If Dalaran is updated to reflect these changes, the Horde should not be permited within its walls.
It will be a slap in the face to everyone for not keeping the continuity at least partially up to par.
Should Dalaran "relocate" to a new spot for MoP, but leave the old Dalaran in Northrend, I will have some mixed feelings, but will respectably keep that in check, as blizzard can only do so much to bastardize their own lore.
Yeah though there was a blue some time ago mentioning that even if we go to CoT it has nothing to do with time traveling,they just didnt knew where to put the portal and they just figured they can put it to CoT.So yeah,we are still at present and we are at Wyrmrest when we fight DW.
That's only true for the Dragon Soul raid and the Hour of Twilight heroic as those are current events. The other two dungeons that were released, one takes place in the past, and the other takes place in a possible future.
And when Mists of Pandaria releases all both the raid and hour of twilight will be past events and that makes perfect sense being in the Caverns.
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Apparently for what ever reason he stands down to let Jaina take his place as the head of Kirin Tor. Probably to take care of his family I would imagine.