Mists of Pandaria Raid Testing | TM US 21st | Elemental P.O.V

**orderschvank** · 2012-08-01, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by rewn

They are still 1 minute duration summons, but you can control them like a proper pet, they hit harder and they have extra abilities.

so where as the other abilities can give you more of a slight increase to dps over an entire fight period, the 1 minute the elemental is out is like OMG MY DEEPS! kind of thing?

because id imagine sense its on a 5 minute cooldown, the 1 minute it is out would want to somewhat match any of the other two 6 tier talents over the course of a minute x 5.

also, i can't quite remember what blizzard has stated about the fire elemental, but in mists will they still mimic our spellpower for the whole duration or does it change in accordance with ours?

**rewn** · 2012-08-01, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by orderschvank

so where as the other abilities can give you more of a slight increase to dps over an entire fight period, the 1 minute the elemental is out is like OMG MY DEEPS! kind of thing?

because id imagine sense its on a 5 minute cooldown, the 1 minute it is out would want to somewhat match any of the other two 6 tier talents over the course of a minute x 5.

also, i can't quite remember what blizzard has stated about the fire elemental, but in mists will they still mimic our spellpower for the whole duration or does it change in accordance with ours?

Last I heard the elementals update dynamically, so no point waiting to try and pop them with max spell power buffs. Also the elementals do 50% more damage just for picking the talent, as well as having their abilities. Last I heard they do a chunk of damage and were very competitive with the other t6 talents for dps.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-01, 05:50 AM

Here's a link to yesterday's full stream. All 15 hours of it (ugh, long day). http://www.twitch.tv/xirtin/b/326896576

I'll go through and find the links to kill videos sometime tomorrow during downtime and edit them all out, but for now I'm just going to post this. This recording contains a lot of content.

- Five 25m kills
(Stone Guardians attempts begin @ ~5:22:00) (Killed this boss)
(Imperial Vizier Zor'lok attempts begin @ ~7:04:00) (Killed this boss)
(Protectors of the Endless attempts begin @ ~8:01:00) (Killed this boss)
(Feng the Accursed attempts begin @ ~ 9:40:00) (I think only Blood Legion killed this boss?)
(Garalon attempts begin @ ~11:18:00) (Killed this boss)
(Tsulong attempts begin @ ~12:32:00) (Killed this boss)

Then we went on live and did our regular 8/8 heroic clear; Morchok is pulled at 13:05:00.

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Boss testing for tomorrow is as follows!

Gara'jal the Spiritbinder (Mogu'shan Vaults) - 25 Player Normal
10:30 PDT (1:30 EST)

Wind Lord Mel'jarak (Heart of Fear) - 25 Player Normal
12:00 PDT (3:00 EST)

Lei Shi (Terrace of Endless Spring) - 25 Player Normal
1:30 PDT (4:30 EST)

The Spirit Kings (Mogu'shan Vaults) - 25 Player Normal
3:00 PDT (6:00 EST)

Amber-Shaper Un'sok (Heart of Fear) - 25 Player Normal
4:30 PDT (7:30 EST)

And I'll hopefully be streaming all of it. I have to go to the airport later tomorrow night, but it should be well after testing ends. Tune in, follow, and enjoy!

**Roosky** · 2012-08-01, 06:41 AM

I'm curious if it's a bug on beta but when I glyph fire ele and try use call of the elements it dosnt reset the CD, does anyone know if this is intended since the FE has 3 min CD glyphed does it have to be under 3 min or 3 min or less?

**rewn** · 2012-08-01, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Roosky

I'm curious if it's a bug on beta but when I glyph fire ele and try use call of the elements it dosnt reset the CD, does anyone know if this is intended since the FE has 3 min CD glyphed does it have to be under 3 min or 3 min or less?

Totems with cooldowns shorter than 3 minutes, i.e. every totem with a cooldown of 179 seconds or less.

**TedBG** · 2012-08-01, 02:04 PM

MM ele seems quite nice tbh

i might change my main spec from enh to ele in mop

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-01, 04:10 PM

Stream is live for today!

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-06, 12:56 AM

Highlighted a new bunch of videos - some may still be rendering. I'll be working on highlighting the other days of testing as well.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-07, 02:12 AM

New testing tomorrow! Tune in at 1:30 and 7:30 p.m EST to see some new fights!

Gara'jal the Spiritbinder (Mogu'shan Vaults) - 10 Player Heroic
10:30 PDT (13:30 EDT, 19:30 CEST)

Sha of Fear (Terrace of Endless Spring) - 25 Player Normal
16:00 PDT (19:00 EDT, 01:00 CEST)

I'm probably also going to be doing a random 1 month game time giveaway tomorrow sometime, so be sure to check that out for some free game time.

**anubiscaio** · 2012-08-07, 02:23 PM

TM defeat Amber-Shaper Un'sok 25 man normal?

tks for all videos.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-07, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by anubiscaio

TM defeat Amber-Shaper Un'sok 25 man normal?

tks for all videos.

Hah, well, we technically killed it, but it was on the very last attempt of testing and he didn't switch phases. I wouldn't necessarily count that as a kill.

**orderschvank** · 2012-08-08, 05:08 AM

can you let us know just how much or how little our recent nerf was to elemental? small LB and ES nerf but big FS buff.. although blizz did say it should overall drop ele dps by a tad, id just like to know how much is a tad lol

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-08, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by orderschvank

can you let us know just how much or how little our recent nerf was to elemental? small LB and ES nerf but big FS buff.. although blizz did say it should overall drop ele dps by a tad, id just like to know how much is a tad lol

Well as of right now, it isn't live yet. I think it's going to be a relatively small nerf. Just using very very very basic math (which is probably wrong) and I can't say "very" enough; don't take what I'm about to say as a fact. These are my assumptions of what is going to happen.

1. We'll most likely drop PE for Elemental Blast. EB damage is getting increased by ~17% as well as a 16.66% increase to the stat buff (3000 to 3500).
2. The 15% decrease in spellpower scaling of Fire Elemental is a ~27% decrease in Fire Ele damage, which is a ~5500 DPS decrease of the Fire Elemental (~1700 effective DPS over a 6 minute 10 second fight).
3. Earth Shock is a relatively small portion of our DPS. I'd say the nerf is ~<.3% DPS decrease.
3a. So after thinking about it, I *think* the Earth Shock nerf is simply just to the shock, and won't reduce fulmination damage, but I could be wrong here.
4. The Flame Shock buff will be ~>1% DPS increase.
5. The Lightning Bolt nerf will be ~3.2% DPS decrease.
6. The Searing Totem nerf will reduce Searing Totem's damage by approximately 500 DPS.

Again, this is assuming that EB will be better than Unleashed Fury, which the 17% increase may not make it better.

**binkenstein** · 2012-08-08, 10:22 AM

It's a 4-5k DPS decrease, approximately. PE will still be the "best" talent, but it's by a 1k margin now so it's a lot easier to mix & match talents rather than forcing us to pick one in particular.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-08, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by binkenstein

It's a 4-5k DPS decrease, approximately. PE will still be the "best" talent, but it's by a 1k margin now so it's a lot easier to mix & match talents rather than forcing us to pick one in particular.

Yeah I was using ERC #14 (the latest release?) to just roughly play around with some numbers. How do you think the nerf to FE will change stats? Crit and Mastery were relatively close prior to the FE/PE change - might mastery be worth more now that Fire Elementals are weaker?

Looking forward to ERC #15.

**orderschvank** · 2012-08-08, 05:16 PM

so roughly in the patch we might be able to assume, depending on our play, we only got nerfed in overall dps by about 1-3%? which doesnt sound bad at all, it sounds like we got it best out of all the classes that got nerfed this upcoming patch.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-08, 07:08 PM

I'd estimate more of a 3-5% DPS nerf. It really depends on what gear you're estimating with. SimCraft shows us around 109k dps in full T14 BiS Heroic gear, but obviously with entry level 363/crafted/rep gear it'll be different.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-10, 03:18 AM

Lots and lots of heroic testing this weekend! Be sure to tune in and check it out.

**stomination** · 2012-08-11, 09:23 PM

Well Nitrix you seem more community friendly than most in TM. Hoping it rubs off on them and that you continue to be a part of Zul'jin.

**Nitrix** · 2012-08-14, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by stomination

Well Nitrix you seem more community friendly than most in TM. Hoping it rubs off on them and that you continue to be a part of Zul'jin.

Thanks!

I'll be streaming 8/8 Heroic DS quick clear tonight (I may swap out to get some trials in, etc.) and a Firelands sale run (either on my shaman or undergeared mage).

DS starts at 7:45 EST
FL starts at 10:00 EST

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