Horde Pandaria Introduction, Pandaren Cutscene, Blue Posts, The Daily Blink

**Unholyground** · 2012-07-23, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Venziir

Someone missed the point completely.

Legendary items are just as hard to get as they used to be, there's just 6 million more people to help you get them than in vanilla so you will see more of them.

**Cytoma** · 2012-07-23, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Unholyground

Legendary items are just as hard to get as they used to be, there's just 6 million more people to help you get them than in vanilla so you will see more of them.

No. Thunderfury, Sulfuras, Warglaives, and Thoridal were all based off random drop chance, and could be farmed for a year or more with no drop, where now they are guaranteed after a set amount of time.

**Unholyground** · 2012-07-23, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Cytoma

No. Thunderfury, Sulfuras, Warglaives, and Thoridal were all based off random drop chance, and could be farmed for a year or more with no drop, where now they are guaranteed after a set amount of time.

The old way there was no guarantee which makes the time you played less rewarding.

**shimonu** · 2012-07-23, 03:36 PM

Now i know why alliance gunship is flying above stormwind (near docks)

**Darmalus** · 2012-07-23, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Cytoma

No. Thunderfury, Sulfuras, Warglaives, and Thoridal were all based off random drop chance, and could be farmed for a year or more with no drop, where now they are guaranteed after a set amount of time.

Since when? I've got guildies who have been religiously farming those since Wrath without a single drop yet.

**Laylriana** · 2012-07-23, 04:10 PM

I wonder if they can do something like put HM after the title the person gets who does not use the raid debuff to distinguish them from those of us in casual raiding guilds who take longer and use the debuff to do the same content.

**Cytoma** · 2012-07-23, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Darmalus

Since when? I've got guildies who have been religiously farming those since Wrath without a single drop yet.

For clarification I meant that the new legendaries are guaranteed, the old ones I mentioned are still drops. I was commenting on the statement that the new ones are just as hard to get as the old ones, which is false. Now you know after a set amount of time you will get one, whereas before regardless of skill or amount of clears, there was no guarantee. And with the progressive nerfs, it is far easier for many more players to get one. Heck, you don't even need to be able to kill a single boss on heroic for either the staff or daggers, it may speed up the process, but its not required.

**Unholyground** · 2012-07-23, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Cytoma

For clarification I meant that the new legendaries are guaranteed, the old ones I mentioned are still drops. I was commenting on the statement that the new ones are just as hard to get as the old ones, which is false. Now you know after a set amount of time you will get one, whereas before regardless of skill or amount of clears, there was no guarantee. And with the progressive nerfs, it is far easier for many more players to get one. Heck, you don't even need to be able to kill a single boss on heroic for either the staff or daggers, it may speed up the process, but its not required.

They could always make an item they sell on the blizzard store that costs 10,000$ that is a legendary. Most people wouldn't have that right?

**kevz** · 2012-07-23, 05:31 PM

The pandas look so out of place as horde

**Ausr** · 2012-07-23, 05:44 PM

Anyone else tired of these jackholes that keep arguing about this whole "WAAHHH CASUALS WILL SEE THE CONTENT I SEE 10 MONTHS BEFORE THEM!!!!111" shit? Blizzard has a better pulse on what the community (except in a few minor places) on what they want for raiding. The last time they listened to these minority morons, Cataclysm happened and we know the result of that. Of course, they pick only a few words from the blue response and put it to the extreme of what THEY want to listen to.

**Alayea** · 2012-07-23, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Averice

Needs free xfers already, still charging that much on top of sub is silly.

Definitely. Just add a CD to it to prevent crazy server hopping, and it'd be dandy. Right now, I just have so much time and energy invested on my 85s' realm (see sig below) that I don't really feel like even starting over on another realm. The whole process is automatic anyway, so why can't Blizzard get with the times? Wouldn't seem to be that big a loss of money if they removed the cost -- it'd be such a quality of life improvement that perhaps it would even provide a little boost to subscriptions numbers.

**Unholyground** · 2012-07-23, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ausr

Anyone else tired of these jackholes that keep arguing about this whole "WAAHHH CASUALS WILL SEE THE CONTENT I SEE 10 MONTHS BEFORE THEM!!!!111" shit? Blizzard has a better pulse on what the community (except in a few minor places) on what they want for raiding. The last time they listened to these minority morons, Cataclysm happened and we know the result of that. Of course, they pick only a few words from the blue response and put it to the extreme of what THEY want to listen to.

I too prefer to let Blizzard do shit and not worry so much.

**Revoltz** · 2012-07-23, 08:08 PM

I prefer class specific legendaries =/

**berryhedgehog** · 2012-07-23, 08:40 PM

I cant answer on WoW forums because I buy my subs in 1month installments and immediately unsub.

Re: Ganking in PvP
Basically, I always play on PvP servers. And I never feel confident enough to go out on my 85 and do world PvP or gank. But I have been ganked on lowbies many times, and I love it. It's part of the PvP server experience. It pisses you off, develops a true hatred for the other faction. It makes you want to go mercilessly into bgs and exact revenge. Getting ganked so hard you had to switch characters is what makes it awesome - it has a real-life impact and makes you emotional. People who want their PvP wrapped up neatly and fairly say they want world PvP, but it sounds like what they truly want is bgs, which are basically world PvP but with rules and level limitations for fairness.

Re: Raid Nerfing
I understand hardcore players' argument that having an achievement dated before nerf isn't enough: they want casuals to see how much better they are just by glancing at them, without having to link their achievement in Trade (which is likely to get 1-upped in front of everyone by an equally elitist player). So fine, have the un-nerfed Heroic end boss reward everyone in the raid with a special title or visual effect item. There is a title-granting achievement in Ulduar that requires players to wear gear below a certain ilvl, so this idea of cosmetic reward for an un-nerfed boss kill has been used before. I feel that such a reward would solve the issue by giving something entirely unique and entirely cosmetic to the hardcore raiders. Right now, the nerfed version gives the same title and the same gear ans the un-nerfed version. Casuals getting the same gear after nerfs shouldn't be a big deal to hardcores as long as they still have something cosmetic for their egos.

**Fennor Angrithon Virastar** · 2012-07-24, 02:19 AM

Wearing "Azerothian Apparel shirt" costs 1% Self-Esteem. 1.1-(1.1*0.1)=0.99

**SodiumChloride** · 2012-07-24, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by kevz

The pandas look so out of place as horde

About as out of place as the Tauran.

Once they get decked up head to toe in armour, they will look like any other member of the Horde.

---------- Post added 2012-07-24 at 03:24 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Xinia

They fired the normal intro narrator? This one is much worse.

I think the reason he sounds different is because he is doing it with a slight (stereotypical) Asian accent.

**Aheroarises** · 2012-07-24, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by kevz

The pandas look so out of place as horde

Wrong person is wrong

**Trogie** · 2012-07-24, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Xinia

They fired the normal intro narrator? This one is much worse.

From what I remember the guy who did the old narrations died.

This new narration fits the Pandaren, as I believe its Lorewalker Cho who is narrating it.

**Kaleredar** · 2012-07-24, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cytoma

No. Thunderfury, Sulfuras, Warglaives, and Thoridal were all based off random drop chance, and could be farmed for a year or more with no drop, where now they are guaranteed after a set amount of time.

By that factor alone they weren't actually "hard" to get. I could freight train my way through stratholme a thousand times at level 85 and never get the barons mount, does that mean it's more "difficult" to obtain than say, the dragon soul meta mount? Not really.

Random drops don't ensure that "deserving" players (which the people that want the old method of obtaining legendaries likely think they fall squarely into the category of) get the legendaries. The world-first guild to clear the raid might never, EVER see them drop, while the casual guild with two pugged people from trade comes in three months later and gets them on their first go. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but it is the reality of the situation. These kind of legendaries don't reflect legendary skill, they reflect legendary luck.

**Declaron** · 2012-07-24, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by McNeil

Diablo 3

Whats that?

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