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    Quote Originally Posted by Simiir View Post
    So basically we gonna take the "dps" gear for prot? Like the boots from Sha of Anger quest item, (i cant link atm need more posts) but the angerforged stompers with Haste and mastery, instead for the tank boots: mindfire sollerets, with parry and dodge?

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    Just reforged all my gear to haste (Expertise is almost hard capped, 14.76% and hit is at 8%)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Just reforged all my gear to haste (Expertise is almost hard capped, 14.76% and hit is at 8%)
    Can happily say my damage, healing and damage taken is sick right now.
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    You could reforge that hit to expertise and get both capped at the 7.5% and 15% Also, now do the same with those hit/exp values and go as mastery and notice the smoothing is the same and the total damage reduction is higher, and the rotation is a lot more forgiving.

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    You could reforge that hit to expertise and get both capped at the 7.5% and 15% Also, now do the same with those hit/exp values and go as mastery and notice the smoothing is the same and the total damage reduction is higher, and the rotation is a lot more forgiving. {◕ ◡ ◕}
    From what I have seen in my gearing experiements, the added HPS outweighs the TDR from mastery. While yes, you take slightly more damage overall with haste, you heal for alot more which actually in reality causes you to "take" less damage. ( Ofc you take more damage but it is still less damage for healers to heal ).

    Also one thing that most people overlook is that added dps from haste.

    One thing that I think is a comon misinterpreation is that mastery does not require a perfect rotation aswell.

    As it is now, paladins need a good rotation, wether they use mastery or haste. It is not like you can fuck up your rotation if you have mastery build. It is just less noticable, but still very important. So would not say that mastery build is any more "forgiving". If anything, one could argue that haste is sometimes more forgiving aswell.

    If you hit the wrong GCD, using a haste build you have a shorter GCD which allows you to use the "correct" spell faster.

    So all in all, I think rotation is just as important in both builds. Mastery is slightly more forgiving if you are completely clueless, and haste is slightly more forgiving if you just hit the wrong button. However both difference is negliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    You could reforge that hit to expertise and get both capped at the 7.5% and 15% Also, now do the same with those hit/exp values and go as mastery and notice the smoothing is the same and the total damage reduction is higher, and the rotation is a lot more forgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    From what I have seen in my gearing experiements, the added HPS outweighs the TDR from mastery. While yes, you take slightly more damage overall with haste, you heal for alot more which actually in reality causes you to "take" less damage. ( Ofc you take more damage but it is still less damage for healers to heal ).

    Also one thing that most people overlook is that added dps from haste.

    One thing that I think is a comon misinterpreation is that mastery does not require a perfect rotation aswell.

    As it is now, paladins need a good rotation, wether they use mastery or haste. It is not like you can fuck up your rotation if you have mastery build. It is just less noticable, but still very important. So would not say that mastery build is any more "forgiving". If anything, one could argue that haste is sometimes more forgiving aswell.

    If you hit the wrong GCD, using a haste build you have a shorter GCD which allows you to use the "correct" spell faster.

    So all in all, I think rotation is just as important in both builds. Mastery is slightly more forgiving if you are completely clueless, and haste is slightly more forgiving if you just hit the wrong button. However both difference is negliable.
    Haste is more dependent on the rotaton though. If you cannot get the buff up, you get smacked hard and regular. With mastery, you wont get smacked as hard and often. Rotation is obviously important but I really see it being more important than for mastery because haste is buff dependent and mastery isnt, to survive.

    However, I am most disappointed in your lack of posting that face on your message! But anyway I'l test these things out this weekend because I'm still level 85, gogo Nottingham University blocking the ports for all online games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    From what I have seen in my gearing experiements, the added HPS outweighs the TDR from mastery. While yes, you take slightly more damage overall with haste, you heal for alot more which actually in reality causes you to "take" less damage. ( Ofc you take more damage but it is still less damage for healers to heal ).

    Also one thing that most people overlook is that added dps from haste.

    One thing that I think is a comon misinterpreation is that mastery does not require a perfect rotation aswell.

    As it is now, paladins need a good rotation, wether they use mastery or haste. It is not like you can fuck up your rotation if you have mastery build. It is just less noticable, but still very important. So would not say that mastery build is any more "forgiving". If anything, one could argue that haste is sometimes more forgiving aswell.

    If you hit the wrong GCD, using a haste build you have a shorter GCD which allows you to use the "correct" spell faster.

    So all in all, I think rotation is just as important in both builds. Mastery is slightly more forgiving if you are completely clueless, and haste is slightly more forgiving if you just hit the wrong button. However both difference is negliable.
    Regarding the concept of recovering mistakes via haste, portionally the rotation is the same. The rotation remains the same so if you trip your rotation up the process to recover it is the same, generally waiting until a non hp gen spell to skip to allow for your cs to fall back into line and so on.

    That may occur mildly faster in itself but when brought into the context of boss swing timers you'd need to look into the realm of stochastics in order to quantify how much damage that behaviour would cost you. As a result it'd be difficult to prove how much damage would be lost if the same error were to occur in both sets.

    And of course the elephant in the room is that minimising mistakes is the easiest way to improve tdr in that situation, as opposed to changing set ups.

    The demand for the rotation is the same since really, both mastery and haste are active mitigation stats. You'd need to shift into a dodge/parry set up if the idea of maintaining a rotation is too big a hassle.

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    Haste and Mastery are on par.
    If not, it's like 49% Haste and 51% Mastery. That's how minor the difference is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simiir View Post
    So basically we gonna take the "dps" gear for prot? Like the boots from Sha of Anger quest item, (i cant link atm need more posts) but the angerforged stompers with Haste and mastery, instead for the tank boots: mindfire sollerets, with parry and dodge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simiir View Post
    So basically we gonna take the "dps" gear for prot? Like the boots from Sha of Anger quest item, (i cant link atm need more posts) but the angerforged stompers with Haste and mastery, instead for the tank boots: mindfire sollerets, with parry and dodge?
    That is an exception to the rule, the Wraithplate boots are better than the angerforged stompers due to the socket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
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    I think that we might want to get back to the topic of the thread.

    But be happy about it.

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    So much for my great return this weekend. Because I was in a rush, I managed to leave my authenticator key on my desk at university and I am now at home. I'm such a moron I now cannot access the game this weekend in all likelihood. I sent them an email with the request but it'll probably take a long time and they'll want more information but what can I do really. Ah well, I live in hope but lets be honest, I'll have to wait until christmas now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
    I think that we might want to get back to the topic of the thread.

    But be happy about it.

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    In all seriousness, yay Merinpally is back.

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    Due to various reasons I didn't get to play half as long as I hoped yesterday. Due to this I finally went to bed due to lack of drive to power through the tiredness last night when I was lvl 87 and 75% in. Having only just woken up, I'll hit levle 88 and not long after, have to begin packing to go back to univ.

    On the plus side I got a bit of an insight into playing us but due to the fact I quested not dungeons as I can't stand dungeon leveling, I don't have the full picture but I'm slightly aware by first hand experience of stuff now.

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