[MoP] Protection Paladin Guide

[Butler Log]

What it does mean, though, is that you get 3-4 times the amount of haste rating you would if it were static, and you can get 45 (47 if you have the "right" amount of haste) seconds of each minute covered by the haste boosted Sacred Shield by refreshing just before the 15 seconds expires.

[Turvakapsu]

I would rather take the cooldown than static haste (for quite obvious reasons).

[Xs]

As in 463 heroic or raid heroic?

463 heroic, I think talking about heroic raid gear in this context would be somewhat pointless

but yes, I'm capped without too much difficulty using the dragonling, exp trinket (reforged) and 2 expertise gems

[Pickletic]

I have a lvl 89 Pootec Pally
My HP is at 3ook but my DPS is only 2.5k I was told this was bad veary BAD I have not done a lot of the dungeons because I dont think I have the DPS for it. What do I need to do?

[Butler Log]

I have a lvl 89 Pootec Pally
My HP is at 3ook but my DPS is only 2.5k I was told this was bad veary BAD I have not done a lot of the dungeons because I dont think I have the DPS for it. What do I need to do?

Try reading the guide in the first post of this thread, and then read the guide in my signature, and then if you still have any questions, post again?

[BeeTailJuice]

Hey guys, nice thread...
I wanted some advice on increasing my DPS as a pala tank. Currently I'm doing around 30k-35k using SoI.
In case its showing my dps gear, here are some stats: (cant post link to armory, new user.. my toon name is BeeTailLight on Auchindoun EU)
Was mastery specced, changed to Haste just now.
Ilvl 477, Hit capped, Hard Exp capped, 6% Haste (16% Spell haste with SoI), 15% Mastery

Just wanna get some opinions as to what I can improve stat wise (obviously need better gear as i'm still logging around 463 gear)...

Also, wanted to know what you think about the dragonling trinket. For starter raid setups its pretty sweet as you get 1800 Sec stat, but what would be a better replacement going further into raiding (along a better stamina trinket)?

Thanks

[Firefly33]

The dragonling trinket is awesome. The only drawback is that it kinda locks up a trinket slot. I like to be able to swap out trinkets, but as you will probably have hit+exp tinkers in it, it makes it very hard to swap it out on fights where you want another trinket.

If you have chosen to go for a haste build, there is only two questions you need to ask yourself - Do you value stamina over haste or not?

If you choose to value haste of stamina. Go to askmrrobot, load your character and put in the following stat weigths:

Note: These stat weights are very basic, without any real weigth behind the stats, other than simply making it prioritize certain stats over others.

Hit: 1.1
Exp: 1.09
Haste: 0.8
Stamina: 1
Mastery: 0.7
Dodge: 0.5
Parry: 0.49

Or something similar to that.
If you chose to value stamina more, simply put haste at 0.74

This will cause you to gem stamina over haste.

The values are not perfect, but they will basically force your character to value:
Hit+exp caps
Haste or stamina gemming depending on 0.74 or 0.8 value on stamina

Other then that, work on your rotation, practice and get better. That is the best tip I can give you.

[Turvakapsu]

Hit: 1.1
Exp: 1.09
Haste: 1
Stamina: 0.74
Mastery: 0.8
Dodge: 0.5
Parry: 0.49

Putting those stats in would make askmrrobot to make you gem for haste after hit and exp, instead of stamina. It would make you enchant haste and mastery instead of stamina too, and it would favour parry over dodge, which is really wrong.

If we want stamina instead of haste, it should be higher up in the priority. It will still reforge haste where it can without losing hit and expertise caps, but will favour stamina where it can. Something like this would make more sense:

Hit: 1.1
Exp: 1.09
Haste: 0.8
Stamina: 1
Mastery: 0.7
Dodge: 0.3
Parry: 0.5

[Firefly33]

Putting those stats in would make askmrrobot to make you gem for haste after hit and exp, instead of stamina. It would make you enchant haste and mastery instead of stamina too, and it would favour parry over dodge, which is really wrong.

If we want stamina instead of haste, it should be higher up in the priority. It will still reforge haste where it can without losing hit and expertise caps, but will favour stamina where it can. Something like this would make more sense:

Hit: 1.1
Exp: 1.09
Haste: 0.8
Stamina: 1
Mastery: 0.7
Dodge: 0.3
Parry: 0.5

Given I was kinda tired when I wrote what I wrote. But was not that exactly what I said? I wait, I see that I said switch stamina to 0.8 to gem for stamina. Yeah you are completely correct. However your values will also gem for haste since haste gems are 320 stats instead of 240.
You need to switch stamina to 1 and haste to 0.74

I am not used to using askmrrobot and similar :S Never use those things for my gear on my main
Also why would it favor parry over dodge if dodge is at 0.5 and parry is at 0.49?

[Turvakapsu]

Given I was kinda tired when I wrote what I wrote. But was not that exactly what I said? I wait, I see that I said switch stamina to 0.8 to gem for stamina. Yeah you are completely correct. However your values will also gem for haste since haste gems are 320 stats instead of 240.
You need to switch stamina to 1 and haste to 0.74

I am not used to using askmrrobot and similar :S Never use those things for my gear on my main
Also why would it favor parry over dodge if dodge is at 0.5 and parry is at 0.49?

I meant to say dodge over parry, which is wrong. I guess I was tired too, I had just woken up x_x.

And about the stamina too, you're right with that. I completely forgot pure stamina gems are 240 stamina.
So I guess after a few tries we've got the numbers right, hahah. Anyway, I don't use Askmrrobot either, I don't really like it, makes some really odd calculations.

[30cmnobaffs]

Also, wanted to know what you think about the dragonling trinket

oh my god, i must say it is one of my favorite item...tried to swap it with mastery one(from Elegon i think), switched back in 2 days...There is no other trinket offering free 1800stats...Runing now with Lay Shin's orders+dragon, Hit cap/ expertize hardcap/ 36.91% haste(raid baffs)/ 484ilvl(271kdps/54khps my record so far). I just love protadins at the moment.

[Butler Log]

oh my god, i must say it is one of my favorite item...tried to swap it with mastery one(from Elegon i think), switched back in 2 days...There is no other trinket offering free 1800stats...Runing now with Lay Shin's orders+dragon, Hit cap/ expertize hardcap/ 36.91% haste(raid baffs)/ 484ilvl(271kdps/54khps my record so far). I just love protadins at the moment.

Those 1800 stats are not free.

Where have you got 16000 haste rating from? (remember, the 10% attack speed aura does not grant Haste, only auto-attack frequency) - there are no "melee haste" raid buffs. Even 11000 haste rating (27% melee haste * 425 rating) is quite a lot, could you link your Armory? I would be interested to see where you get that much haste from while remaining hit and expertise capped.

[30cmnobaffs]

I am not able to link yet, need more posts, but this is my char: "зосмбезбафа, server Галакронд(russian server)". I think i logged out in retri yesterday...please wait untill tomorrow, would love some constructive critique It is not 16000haste, it is around 10000(though this is what it shows in character page, 36.91%). SS refresh at around 4.2-4.3sec.

I agree that it is not free stats but still, 1800 stats(stats that i need, that i chose) it is preaty nice.

[Firefly33]

Those 1800 stats are not free.

Where have you got 16000 haste rating from? (remember, the 10% attack speed aura does not grant Haste, only auto-attack frequency) - there are no "melee haste" raid buffs. Even 11000 haste rating (27% melee haste * 425 rating) is quite a lot, could you link your Armory? I would be interested to see where you get that much haste from while remaining hit and expertise capped.

I really do not think it is alot. It all depends on your gearing strategy. My loot luck has just been shit. I am currently sitting at 31.76% with elixir.
Given my loot luck has been horrible and I am using quite a few intellect items.

Edit: Just optimized my gear a bit with a new gear piece so landed on 32.64% haste now with elixir.

[Luciferiuz]

Given my loot luck has been horrible and I am using quite a few intellect items.

... wait wtf?

[Firefly33]

... wait wtf?

Should not require to much thinking to realise a 502 (plate) intellect item is better than a 463 strength item simply because increaed armor+stamina ( and secondary stats + possible sockets )
In some cases a 489 int can be better than a 476 strength, and in the same thinking, a 502 int can be better than a 489 strength, depending on the items ofc.

Most people are to single minded.

If the "tank" items simply do not drop, do the best of the situation

Though with quite a few, I actually meant 2 int items, + 1 agility item.
Still waiting for those strength drops.

[Luciferiuz]

Should not require to much thinking to realise a 502 (plate) intellect item is better than a 463 strength item simply because increaed armor+stamina ( and secondary stats + possible sockets )

It's less that I discounted that as a possibility, more that I found it incredibly hard to believe someone was so accursed by the gods of RNG that they would be forced to make that comparison in the first place.

Like, no rep, no craftables, no nothing ?! If your guild is getting 502s dont they have some 496 patterns?!

Don't answer that, I trust you to find your own upgrades. Just like wow.

Then again, this is coming from someone who has had 12+ LFR epics so far (on one character) and hasn't run any of the LFRs yet this week. I guess my polar opposite had to exist somewhere.

... There can be only one.

[Firefly33]

Well, pattens and rep only cover so many pieces.
For example, I am using the Gara'jal intellect shield. The increased armor and stamina over a 463 shield is just to great to pass up.
( damn you spirit kings give me my shield ).
I would even prefer 489 gara'jal shield over 476 sk shield. It is just insane amounts of stamina and armor.
The SK shield dropped once for us, given that I already had the gara'jal shield by then, I passed it to our warrior tank as he had 463 shield. Have not dropped since.

[Luciferiuz]

Yeah lack of weapons especially has been pretty cut-throat this expansion.

Makes me miss playing a caster. No stat stick? No worries.

[Firefly33]

Well, paladins scale horribly with one-hands. Shields is a different matter

Though to get back to int items quickly.

The second thing I am using is the 502 healer boots from Stone Guards. Lets compare them to say, the boots you are using.


Both boots yellow socket

476 boots:

+674 strength
+328 dodge ( with socket )
+470 mastery
+178 stat of choice reforged from dodge.

502 boots

+320 armor
+310 stamina
+690 haste ( with socket bonus )
+328 crit ( while bad, not useless )
+218 stat of choice from reforged crit. ( so that is 40 more than the strength boots )
+881 intellect ( not completely useless, since it still gives almost 2% spell crit. While not a huge upgrade, still a factor )

Personally, I prefer the second one there as I am haste stacking and I put very little value in dodge either way so, for me, I could almost simplify it to

674 strength, 470 mastery vs 512 haste, 320 armor, 310 stamina, 218 hit/expertise/mastery
( after reforging strength boots to haste )

For which to me, the int boots is a clear winner.
Ofc waiting for wind lord boots but hey, RNG.