1. #2141
    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    Nah, there are no delays in my rotation, I'm usually spamming next ability key while GCD is still ongoing. It's just that sometimes X is empty because I just pushed ShoR and prepare to go for J/CS next, thus wasting a filler.
    Then you should not notice difference in SotR uptime.
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  2. #2142
    I don't see anyone ever getting a SotR uptime of 70%ish on a fight lasting normal length. 65% is stretching it. I'll need to see logs for proof.

    As for the DP v. HA debate...on any fight necessitating downtime and tank swaps, I don't see how HA doesn't win out for almost everyone out there. SotR uptime isn't nearly as important as SotR effective uptime. Who cares if someone's SotR uptime is 56% when a good part of that isn't when actively tanking the boss?

  3. #2143
    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    I don't see anyone ever getting a SotR uptime of 70%ish on a fight lasting normal length. 65% is stretching it. I'll need to see logs for proof.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2347&e=2739 77.1% uptime
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=1357&e=1686 74.3% uptime



  4. #2144
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    In the Primordius log I suppose you just DPS the boss itself when not tanking? (I ask this because I always go clear blobs when not tanking, unless I'm still mutated)


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    In that log, yeah. We just do the normal "Ignore adds and dps boss" strat for normal. Our first few kills were the kite strat, so we're familiar with it.



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    I'm again in that tank trinket dilemma I always had. I have a huge pile of trinkets and I just cant figure out which combo is the best ....

    Currently I'm sitting on:
    http://www.wowdb.com/items/94508-bru...do-pan-assault
    http://www.wowdb.com/items/94516-for...-the-zandalari
    http://www.wowdb.com/items/94519-pri...lisman-of-rage
    http://www.wowdb.com/items/94526-spark-of-zandalar
    http://www.wowdb.com/items/94515-fab...ther-of-ji-kun

    I am pretty aware of that the Spark is pretty much the best in slot, no doubt.
    I am also aware that the fortitude most likely will turn out to be the worst, and the primordius is just a bit better, because crit is pretty weak.
    but then, I am not sure, if the brutal talisman or the feather are better. in terms of haste, they are the same, and hit/vs expertise isn't a big difference as well due to reforging. but I'm wondering about the proc. the talisman is a flat 8800 str for 15 sec, and the feather is an average of 7331 str, but for 20 sec. and it starts out weak but ends up extremely strong - for a short time. but for about 8 out of those 20 seconds, the proc is stronger (and for another 2 it is pretty much the same).

    any advice on that?

  7. #2147
    feather is RPPM, scales with haste, thus better

  8. #2148
    I would avoid the feather simple because it got hit on it. Do not like that on trinkets. The "best" trinkets there is imo spark and feather. However fortitude is an extremely strong survivability trinket, so if you feel the special need for more survivability, swapping it in is great.

    So I would probably use spark and the shado pan trinket. The talisman is not entirely bad either however I feel like our current gear levels are not strong enough to support it.
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  9. #2149
    Been discussed a LOT already, in various threads in the subforum.

    Spark/Feather best for most usage of throughput, with avoidance bonus from STR:Parry, if you can use the hit.
    Brutal SPA trinket is great til you get one/both of the above, but I'd strongly urge NOT to run TWO accuracy based trinkets.
    Primordius trinket is crap. Avoid it (and JiKun's Rising Winds).
    Fortitude of Zand is a great "tank" trinket for when you need survival.
    Soul Barrier is the only stam trinket this tier, so it's good by default for stam purposes, even if the on-use is lacking. Hard.
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  10. #2150
    On a completely unrelated side note. I am starting to question if Nairobi ever sleeps.
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  11. #2151
    I post from work a lot (like right now), shhhh! Other than that, I get 6 hours. Probably should get more, but most of my time goes to in-game playing or outside research/theorycraft/yelling at complaining warriors.

    Those threads are like train wrecks... I know I should just walk away, but I can't leave those blatantly false comments/opinions presented as fact remain unquestioned.
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    ok thanks so far. So my call for "don't shard it just give it to me I might use it" was not that bad yesterday (feather).

    on a completely unrelated side note as well, has anyone see any shield of any boss ever drop this tier so far (ignoring lei shen, since we still haven't killed him yet)?

    I have seen spirit kings tank shield ONCE in LFR (but it is crap compared to the boe one)
    I have seen tortos shield ONCE in LFR (not me personally, but a shaman I was grouped with from my guild that time)(yes I know it's a heal shield)

    I have not seen spirit kings shield drop normal. I have not seen tortos shield normal once. I have not seen primordius shield once in either difficulty.
    I haven't even seen a 463 shield drop in any 5 man heroic, not tank, not heal.

    I'm still running with that BoE 476 world drop shield. If I would not have invested in this on the AH, I would still have that blue craft shield.

    I'm starting to believe that shields don't exist this expansion.

  13. #2153
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Yelling at complaining warriors.

    Those threads are like train wrecks... I know I should just walk away, but I can't leave those blatantly false comments/opinions presented as fact remain unquestioned.
    You just caught my essence right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebtria View Post
    ok thanks so far. So my call for "don't shard it just give it to me I might use it" was not that bad yesterday (feather).

    on a completely unrelated side note as well, has anyone see any shield of any boss ever drop this tier so far (ignoring lei shen, since we still haven't killed him yet)?
    I've seen the tortos shield drop twice. I got it the first time as our hpala passed it to me. Was far bigger upgrade for me. Also seen another shield, can't remember which boss, but from some of the bosses in the middle drop, but sharded that as I already had the tortos shield.
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  14. #2154
    Quote Originally Posted by xebtria View Post
    ok thanks so far. So my call for "don't shard it just give it to me I might use it" was not that bad yesterday (feather).

    on a completely unrelated side note as well, has anyone see any shield of any boss ever drop this tier so far (ignoring lei shen, since we still haven't killed him yet)?

    I have seen spirit kings tank shield ONCE in LFR (but it is crap compared to the boe one)
    I have seen tortos shield ONCE in LFR (not me personally, but a shaman I was grouped with from my guild that time)(yes I know it's a heal shield)

    I have not seen spirit kings shield drop normal. I have not seen tortos shield normal once. I have not seen primordius shield once in either difficulty.
    I haven't even seen a 463 shield drop in any 5 man heroic, not tank, not heal.

    I'm still running with that BoE 476 world drop shield. If I would not have invested in this on the AH, I would still have that blue craft shield.

    I'm starting to believe that shields don't exist this expansion.
    Yes, sharding the feather would have been a terrible, terrible thing to do.

    Tortos shield is technically BiS for haste stacking (since Primo and LS are avoid/mast), but I personally don't use int stuff. If it drops, it's a HUGE ilvl ups for you, def take it.

    Primo and LS shield are basically the same stat banks with very minor differences; either is acceptable and equally lackluster.
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  15. #2155
    I am extremely pissed at my loot luck aswell this tier. I have been gone for a major part of the tier. But I got something like 58+- boss kill last time I checked.
    During those 58 boss kills I have gotten 3 drops that I actually want. Gotten some other drops, but that has been like "Oh great, I got the worst itemized x in the entire raid but I have to take them due to itemlevel".

    2 of those 3 drops also came from coins. Which is hillarious. So in reality, 1 drop that I actually wanted from over 60 boss kills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Primordius trinket is crap. Avoid it.
    Still don't get why it's crap. It has around 600 haste after reforge, and the buff has high uptime (around 55% for at least 1 stack for me, usually having around 2-3 stacks, which is ~3.3k-5k str after raidbuffs, that converts to ~3.5-5% parry).

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebtria View Post
    I'm starting to believe that shields don't exist this expansion.
    I saw a shield from Lei Shen for the first time 2 weeks ago. And then we had 2x shields dropping from Primordius next reset with one of them being TF. So, 3 shields over 10 resets.
    That's 25man for you.
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  17. #2157
    Nothing wrong at all with the primordius trinket. The biggest issue I got with it, is that it simply does not fit that well into the current tier. Reaching expertise hard cap is not 'automatic'. Still, nothing wrong with it. Just would not be my nr1 choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Nothing wrong at all with the primordius trinket. The biggest issue I got with it, is that it simply does not fit that well into the current tier. Reaching expertise hard cap is not 'automatic'. Still, nothing wrong with it. Just would not be my nr1 choice.
    Well, spark doesnt want to drop for me (or it's all those bloody rets/dks who take it when I'm low on dkp), so I'm trying to compare whether LSFO (489 version, non-upgraded) or Primoridius' one is better. Personally, don't feel much of a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    Well, spark doesnt want to drop for me (or it's all those bloody rets/dks who take it when I'm low on dkp), so I'm trying to compare whether LSFO (489 version, non-upgraded) or Primoridius' one is better. Personally, don't feel much of a difference.
    I had a lot of luck with some ret items though (these two trinkets, durumu legs, a weapon (even if it's the crit one from tortos, but 528 is 528), the bracers, some shoulders (the tortos ones with crit - again - and haste)), because our dk - the only other str plate wearer - was on vacation in Egypt for the last 4 weeks^^

    but then again, we have disenchanted our fourth primordius-dodge/parry-mace this ID. this crap dropped every time since our first kill (which was four weeks ago, who would have guessed it). yeah, rng, yeah, 10-man loot issues, yeah, we aren't pretty hardcore progress, but still. quite annoying. we also have close to no cloth dps drops. on the other side, we can open shops with the amount of leather-agi and mail-anything gear we get. it's pretty damn annoying.

  20. #2160
    Got the heroic tortos shield last night, got loled at by my guildies for taking an int shield but I don't care. MOAR HASTE!

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