1. #2281
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Block value, and that was for very few fights. I.e. anub'arak HC add tank.

    Think it was some boss in t7/T8 or so aswell, cant remember.
    Loatheb perhaps? You could stack enough block to become immune to his damage.

  2. #2282
    Maybe. Not that Loatheb was hard though.
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  3. #2283
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Maybe. Not that Naxx was hard though.
    FTFY.

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  4. #2284
    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    FTFY.

    minchar.
    Love how you did /10char rather than typing out 'fixed that for you'
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  5. #2285
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Love how you did /10char rather than typing out 'fixed that for you'
    Priorities

  6. #2286
    Quote Originally Posted by Animma View Post
    Loatheb perhaps? You could stack enough block to become immune to his damage.
    Loatheb25 did the same amount of damage as he did in the level 60 version of the instance. Loatheb10 did even less. And you had 5x the healthpool.
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  7. #2287
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    May have been me. Know I posted some crude weights in a thread.
    Could you repost them again then? Pretty please?

    Knew it had to be either of you both, but thought you had posted before you also mainly reforge by hand.

    Gosh, gotta sleep more.

    Atm my weights are:

    Armor: 3.6 (not that armor weight matter that much though since you cant gem/enchant/reforge it)
    Hit to 7.5: 3.5
    Expertise to 7.5: 3.2
    Haste: 3
    Expertise to 15: 2.5
    Mastery: 2
    Strength: 1.5
    Stamina: 1.2
    Dodge=parry: 0.5


    Currently have crit at 0, where should i place it? Between mastery and str? or between str and sta?

  8. #2288
    Well. I do reforge by hand. That is why I do not really have stat weigths but could make new ones up. '
    I will post comments on the weights afterwards.
    This is just a rough stat weights with no major thought behind it though. For 10 man aswell.

    Hit to 7.5%: 3.5
    Exp to 7.5%: 3.5
    Haste: 3
    Stamina: 3
    Exp to 15%: 2.5
    Mastery: 2
    Crit: 1.6
    Str: 1.4
    Agi: 0.6
    Int: 0.1
    Dodge: 0
    Parry: 0

    Basically what these weights reflect is.

    Hit cap, expertise to 7.5. Prioritising haste over other secondary stats. Putting expertise over mastery.
    Putting stamina high enough so that the gem value of stamina is above mastery but below expertise.

    Crit/Str/Agi/Int reflects their rough dps increase in comparison to eachother, so 100% focusing on damage increase.

    The high value on haste and expertise reflects their multipurpose of both being defensive and offensive stats.

    If you want to focus more on dps stats over defensive stats, you can lower mastery to 1 and stamina to 2.3 (to put it above crit at gem values)

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-29 at 10:27 AM ----------

    I actually tested it on myself on AMR. It did not want to change anything except my wrist enchant from str to mastery, so I guess the stats works well. Just that I have a bit lower value on defensive stats (mastery/stamina) and a bit higher on the offensive stats.
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  9. #2289
    Thanks a lot!

  10. #2290
    Completely relevant :
    Any idea why firefly was banned and when is he getting unbanned ?
    Wtb one of the most helpful paladin tanks back.

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    It's a trend! I just got unbanned today :P.

    Anyway, I think this is why he got banned:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...3#post21275923

    I guess he couldn't resist the influx of ... special people... in this forum since 5.3 hit live. So many stupid shit going about, specially PvP, that you just want to tell half the posters in there to go get fucked by a pony.
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  12. #2292
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    It's a trend! I just got unbanned today :P.

    Anyway, I think this is why he got banned:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...3#post21275923

    I guess he couldn't resist the influx of ... special people... in this forum since 5.3 hit live. So many stupid shit going about, specially PvP, that you just want to tell half the posters in there to go get fucked by a pony.
    Bah.... if that's qualifies as a personal attack i'm glad i never directly address other posters in those types of discussions, instead just thinking out loud.

  13. #2293
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Bah.... if that's qualifies as a personal attack i'm glad i never directly address other posters in those types of discussions, instead just thinking out loud.
    Reminds me of when I got banned for calling an obvious troll a troll.
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  14. #2294
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Reminds me of when I got banned for calling an obvious troll a troll.
    Basically how most of the forum behaves in those kinds of threads :
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  15. #2295
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    It's a trend! I just got unbanned today :P.

    Anyway, I think this is why he got banned:

    I guess he couldn't resist the influx of ... special people... in this forum since 5.3 hit live. So many stupid shit going about, specially PvP, that you just want to tell half the posters in there to go get fucked by a pony.
    I can understand him. Very hard to resist posting in these forums.

    Also yes it is very likely that is the post he got banned for aswell as that the ban lifts in 3 days.

    On the topic of paladins. The 4p PVP seems fairly attractive to me come T16. If the 4p remains unchanged, as it should, I will really consider it as it adds about 15% uptime on SotR. I think that is worth the loss in stats.

  16. #2296
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterbeetle44 View Post
    On the topic of paladins. The 4p PVP seems fairly attractive to me come T16. If the 4p remains unchanged, as it should, I will really consider it as it adds about 15% uptime on SotR. I think that is worth the loss in stats.
    Likely still not. The pure loss of item level stats, especially armor/stam are a huge blow against it. We don't know (for sure) what next tier ilvl is going to be, but for this tier:
    Tyranical = 496
    Heroic = 535 (541 TF, 543 2/2, 549 TF 2/2)
    Just looking at HC only, that's 39 ilvl over the PVP gear: 3 whole tiers worth of stats, stam, armor, etc.

    Add in that there are only 1 (2?) pieces with native haste on them and that further degrades their value.

    Additionally, they have fewer sockets per piece, with less helpful boni.

    Finally, not that I have faith in Blizz, but we may yet see 1) useful tier set boni and/or 2) proper itemization on Prot tier. Even if we don't, the ret tier and/or off-pieces will still remain the most sought after.

    PVP gear is a great stopgap to get you in the door, but it is not a useful endgame tool. 1 HoPo per 8 sec gives ~7.5 HoPo/min, meaning that you get 2.5 more ShotR casts per minute. That's one every 25 seconds, for the cost of a metric shitton of stats and item level. If the ilvl inflation trend continues in t16, we will see BIS gear putting us at 21k+ haste (50% cap), which is my goal anyway, at which point the extra "free casts" are een further degraded in value since ShotR is basically permanent at that point.

    It's a great way to get started, but ditch it for real gear ASAP.
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  17. #2297
    To be completely honest, I am rather sure that the 4p is strong enough to outweigh those extra stats. It has the equivelent worth of about 15000 haste rating in terms of HoPo regen. That is a lot of weight. Especially considering that haste gets worth more and more the more you get. (since going from 50% to 60% uptime is worth less than going from 60% to 70%)

  18. #2298
    Even if we weren't getting the Vengeance cap in 5.4, which we will be, I don't see how you can say that the "haste value", not even actual haste, is worth using gear that is essentially 3 tiers behind AND poorly itemized in most cases. Add in the extra stam from PVE gear to raise the Veng ceiling for more dps, and that's another strike against the PVP set.

    Haste has more benefits than simply HoPo regen. Specifically, the amount of haste lost going from HC PVE gear to current tier PVP gear is ~ 2500 haste (depending on which 4 pieces you swap out). Sure, you may pick up the "haste effect" of the extra HoPo/8sec, but you lose out on:
    Faster/more melee
    Faster/more SOI
    Faster GCD
    More SoB CD reduction on everything

    Again, the PVP gear is 3 tiers behind, more poorly itemized (many pieces have no haste, most have crit) and with fewer sockets and poor socket bonuses.

    I'm not saying the PVP bonus is bad, but I can't see how with the coming gear levels it will be able to compete. Especially considering that the PVP ilvl ceiling (aka next season conq ilvl) will be going up by ~1 tier, while we will see PVE gear gaining ~2-3 tiers over current. If/when we can get to the 50% cap of haste (next tier), extra/more ShotR will not be worth as much as more haste and pure stats.
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  19. #2299
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I'm not saying the PVP bonus is bad, but I can't see how with the coming gear levels it will be able to compete. Especially considering that the PVP ilvl ceiling (aka next season conq ilvl) will be going up by ~1 tier, while we will see PVE gear gaining ~2-3 tiers over current. If/when we can get to the 50% cap of haste (next tier), extra/more ShotR will not be worth as much as more haste and pure stats.
    Not really saying it is the "OMG BIS!". Saying it can be useful to have in your bags and on some fights depending how they are desigend can turn out to be superior.

    I do not think it should be completely overlooked. You can almost reach 100% SotR uptime, now that would be something. Also very possible to reach 100% effective SotR uptime.

    Being able to reach about 95-100% effective SotR uptime would be invaluable. I would gladly trade some self HPS, a bit of HP and armor for that.

  20. #2300
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterbeetle44 View Post
    Not really saying it is the "OMG BIS!". Saying it can be useful to have in your bags and on some fights depending how they are desigend can turn out to be superior.
    Hmm, I guess I read too much into your comment:
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterbeetle44 View Post
    To be completely honest, I am rather sure that the 4p is strong enough to outweigh those extra stats. It has the equivelent worth of about 15000 haste rating in terms of HoPo regen. That is a lot of weight. Especially considering that haste gets worth more and more the more you get. (since going from 50% to 60% uptime is worth less than going from 60% to 70%)
    Which made it sound like the 4p alone, to you, was enough to justify/outweigh having the massive stat loss.

    I suppose anything is possible, in terms of what is/is not going to be the most useful, we'll know more heading into t16.

    I do not think it should be completely overlooked. You can almost reach 100% SotR uptime, now that would be something. Also very possible to reach 100% effective SotR uptime.

    Being able to reach about 95-100% effective SotR uptime would be invaluable. I would gladly trade some self HPS, a bit of HP and armor for that.
    Agreed that it would be great, and with the path that ilvl inflation is taking us, we are looking at 100% uptime by the end of next tier using full haste. And I guess that was my point/concern; that it will/should already be possible next tier to hit that 95-100% mark with PVE gear, which makes the PVP bonus a bit...overkill for ShotR while selling other stats short. BUT, that of course assumes that you have near-BIS PVE gear, which is not realistic for most people.

    Again, it all depends on the fights as well. Who knows? We may see some insanely heavy magic damage fights, to try and reign in the "OMG PALA OP" train, at which point 100% ShotR uptime means fuck-all. Blizz does love to troll.

    Either way, based on your post here, I agree in the sense that it's a great "workaround" for those stuck with low-haste or entry level gear to get their HoPo/min up.
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