1. #2301
    The theoretical max uptime not counting AS procs is 74% at 50% haste with DP specced. Now you have some RNG. But counting AS procs we can say about 73-83% should be possible with 50% haste and DP. Luck could push it either way.

    So not really sure that 100% sotr is psosible without pvp 4p. PvP 4p adds another 14-17% uptime which would make that 87-100% uptime with pvp 4p and 50% haste. But that would for sure grant you 100% uptime when actually needed if you can bank up HoPo. (Like if you start wiht 5 HoPo you can probably keep 100% uptime for over a minute)

  2. #2302
    You sure about that? There are many logs floating around on here with uptimes in the 70%+ range already, with those users in the 15-17k haste range. I can't think that GCAS procs and luck sway it THAT much.

    I personally hover around 65-70%, mainly due to my devotion to HA over DP, and that's with less than 17k haste.

    I thought you had posted some stuff prior where you had 70%+ and I know you are short of 50% haste. No?
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  3. #2303
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I thought you had posted some stuff prior where you had 70%+ and I know you are short of 50% haste. No?
    Each one had more DP procs than average

    It is all very simple math. At 50% haste. Your hopo regen without AS is 1/3 + 1/4.5 or 0.5555555.
    DP increases your SotR uptime by 33% which put the theoretical max (average) uptime at 74%. Without AS ofc.

    Edit: Checking some logs for a ToT clear. GC procs made up for about 5% ( a bit less ) uptime over the entire raid, ranging between 3-7% depending on the boss, but lets say 5%. That pushes SotR uptime to about 79% +-5% depending on luck is a theoretical max.
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  4. #2304
    I'll withhold judgement til we see the fights and set boni, but even so, 80% uptime from hastecap alone is nothing to sneeze at. It then (to me, anyway) becomes more of a preference of additional phys redux vs. additional throughput.

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  5. #2305
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I'll withhold judgement til we see the fights and set boni, but even so, 80% uptime from hastecap alone is nothing to sneeze at. It then (to me, anyway) becomes more of a preference of additional phys redux vs. additional throughput.

    And I thought we all knew what side you were on!
    It depends on the fight really. To me mostly pushing to that 100% uptime is an interesting thought. It kinda feels like getting CTC capped in Cata.

    I very much prefer additional phys redux over uptime usually. But here I will make an exception on some fights.

    On some fights 100% uptime would be a complete beast.

  6. #2306
    If nothing else, it would allow/encourage sit-tanking the entire fight, given you'd have a perma-wall up. Hellooooo Vengeance.

    OWAIT cap.

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  7. #2307
    How do people do that sit thing anyway?
    I tried it a few times and found pressing sit while keeping up the regular rotation was a pain in the ass.
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  8. #2308
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    How do people do that sit thing anyway?
    I tried it a few times and found pressing sit while keeping up the regular rotation was a pain in the ass.
    Macro......

  9. #2309
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    How do people do that sit thing anyway?
    I tried it a few times and found pressing sit while keeping up the regular rotation was a pain in the ass.
    Considering you can't attack while sitting, I imagine you wait for a high damage spell (ex. Horridon's Triple Puncture) and time your /sit macro for that. You lose some uptime doing this, but the massive amount of Vengeance you get makes up for that.

  10. #2310
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Macro......
    Well that's still a button you need to press/not press depending on the damage taken.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-30 at 05:05 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    Considering you can't attack while sitting, I imagine you wait for a high damage spell (ex. Horridon's Triple Puncture) and time your /sit macro for that. You lose some uptime doing this, but the massive amount of Vengeance you get makes up for that.
    Can triple puncture even crit?
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  11. #2311
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Well that's still a button you need to press/not press depending on the damage taken.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-30 at 05:05 PM ----------



    Can triple puncture even crit?
    It is, but it isn't a "need to always press button" i'd say it's highly situation for moments when you know that you can afford the extra damage taken.
    (Plus i generally have an extra button or 2 keybinded for when i swap in speed of light / hand of purity)

    And haven't ever tested with triple puncture, but it probably can.

  12. #2312
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    It is, but it isn't a "need to always press button" i'd say it's highly situation for moments when you know that you can afford the extra damage taken.
    Wat?
    What kind of macro are you talking about anyway? because I can't figure out what you're talking about
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  13. #2313
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Can triple puncture even crit?
    TP was just used as an example of a big damage spell, but I have no idea if it can crit haha.

    Macroing /sit isn't a huge issue depending on which spells you choose to keybind. I had an MX518 and found that I had enough keybinds for all my important spells, but recently switched over to an MMO mouse (with like 15 buttons on the side) just so I could have some spare buttons for those random spells/macros/etc.

  14. #2314
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Wat?
    What kind of macro are you talking about anyway? because I can't figure out what you're talking about
    Just /sit.

    My point being that you're not suppose to think of it as part of rotation (unless you're really overgearing stuff).
    Think of it as an inverse cooldown : You know you're not going to be taking too much damage for the next 10 sec, start using it --> dmg after those 10 sec becomes serious --> stop using it.

  15. #2315
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Just /sit.
    There's a keybind for that .... °_°

    I'm asking how people manage to sit without a negative impact on their rotation and you tell me to keybind it?!
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  16. #2316
    If you're planning to cheese meters by /sitting, you can't keep up your normal rotation 100% of the time. It usually goes something like this:

    Normal rotation > Incoming big damage spell > Stop rotation > /sit > Get a lot of Vengeance > go back to normal rotation > Profit

  17. #2317
    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    If you're planning to cheese meters by /sitting, you can't keep up your normal rotation 100% of the time. It usually goes something like this:

    Normal rotation > Incoming big damage spell > Stop rotation > /sit > Get a lot of Vengeance > go back to normal rotation > Profit
    Presumably you would want to hit ShoR before sitting down to make sure the crit doesn't kill you?
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  18. #2318
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Presumably you would want to hit ShoR before sitting down to make sure the crit doesn't kill you?
    Yes, I lumped that into "Normal Rotation", but it's probably important to call that out.

  19. #2319
    Wait, what?

    When y'all said that "sit tanking" i always read it figuratively, like on standing on poodles and such to get higher vengance. Now its you _literally_ /sit to get more vengance?

    Why does being sit generates more vengance? Last time i checked vengance depended on unmitigated damage taken over time. Being sit increases that?

    Also, i read in between lines that you always get critted while sit?

    Confused panda.

  20. #2320
    Yes sitting downs means you always get crit => since the base hit is twice as high you get double vengeance from that hit.

    Still don't feel like it's worth the trouble since when you can do it the boss likely doesn't hit all that hard anyway.
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