1. #3101
    A bit ironic/unfortunate, though, that the tier bonuses are rather subpar compared to this/last tier's. 2pc could be...maybe useful? Depends on how fast the HOT ticks I suppose. 4pc is just kinda...there. Guess that just means no reason to worry about anything but helm/gloves then!
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  2. #3102
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    A bit ironic/unfortunate, though, that the tier bonuses are rather subpar compared to this/last tier's. 2pc could be...maybe useful? Depends on how fast the HOT ticks I suppose. 4pc is just kinda...there. Guess that just means no reason to worry about anything but helm/gloves then!
    4p means you don't have to decide between ShoR and WoG, you can have both.
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  3. #3103
    HEY GUYS! I wasted an hour of my time to sort through the SoO gear that was linked (as of 11:59pm EST) on the front page for both Plate tanking and Agi DPS (tanking monk!).

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Hc&usp=sharing

    Not included: Any trinkets or tier gear



  4. #3104
    Okay the only rule is "HOLD OUT FOR ALL BIS. IT ALWAYS DROPS AND YOU WILL NEVER NEED ANYTHING ELSE". You're suggestions work when you can funnel gear and always win with Charms. My years experience is holding out for BiS (or holding out for that raise, job promotion, woman, etc) will put you behind. You can't always get what you want; and b. "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong."

    Hey though good luck on holding out for each BiS item.

  5. #3105
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Okay the only rule is "HOLD OUT FOR ALL BIS. IT ALWAYS DROPS AND YOU WILL NEVER NEED ANYTHING ELSE". You're suggestions work when you can funnel gear and always win with Charms. My years experience is holding out for BiS (or holding out for that raise, job promotion, woman, etc) will put you behind. You can't always get what you want; and b. "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong."

    Hey though good luck on holding out for each BiS item.
    Bullshit. You take what you can get. But you don't blindly look at an item and say "it is 20 ilevel higher, therefore it is better even if I am replacing a haste/mastery with a dodge/parry item".
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  6. #3106
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Okay the only rule is "HOLD OUT FOR ALL BIS. IT ALWAYS DROPS AND YOU WILL NEVER NEED ANYTHING ELSE". You're suggestions work when you can funnel gear and always win with Charms. My years experience is holding out for BiS (or holding out for that raise, job promotion, woman, etc) will put you behind. You can't always get what you want; and b. "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong."

    Hey though good luck on holding out for each BiS item.
    So because you have nothing to back up your claims you now throw out random nonsense - great.
    We're giving adviced based on the good/useful loot that can come from bosses - you're doing it based on something you think is good like basing priority on weapons (which do next to nothing for a prot pally) and shields (granted they are good, but primordius loot is really really a gamble)
    Armories:
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    Dk: Telare
    Warrior: Irlida

  7. #3107
    Dodge/Hit is not the same as a Dodge/parry. FFS Hit is our top stat and not everyone is struggling to get below 7.5. But again since it's got dodge what everyone is saying is hold on to a 483 belt until the 503 drops even though you just need some valor and rep to get a 522 that can hold you over for QUITE a while. Seriously why does no one look at the big picture?

    It's right there in all of Theck's posts: HIT > ....... I'm not coming up with anything new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    So because you have nothing to back up your claims you now throw out random nonsense - great.
    We're giving adviced based on the good/useful loot that can come from bosses - you're doing it based on something you think is good like basing priority on weapons (which do next to nothing for a prot pally) and shields (granted they are good, but primordius loot is really really a gamble)
    Your advice is based on luck that you'll always get what you need. Sound spoiled to me.

  8. #3108
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Dodge/Hit is not the same as a Dodge/parry. FFS Hit is our top stat and not everyone is struggling to get below 7.5. But again since it's got dodge what everyone is saying is hold on to a 483 belt until the 503 drops even though you just need some valor and rep to get a 522 that can hold you over for QUITE a while. Seriously why does no one look at the big picture?
    Nah you don't get the picture.
    The hit you have on the belt can be gained from reforging something else that does not come at a significant haste loss - now on top of that the problem if you're overcapped on hit is that you can't even reforge out of dodge on that belt.
    You also have to consider the VP cost of that item - and there are better items to spend those on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Your advice is based on luck that you'll always get what you need. Sound spoiled to me.
    Not any more than your advice is based on luck.
    Again you're gambling for a 1/4 chance to get the shield on primordius while giving up a 2/3 chance on a good item from him - doesn't seem right.


    Also if this is the armory of the one asking he's still in the t14 lfrs http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...efrog/advanced (and picked the wrong boots from the sha quest -.-) - so let's go over those:
    Stone guards - might as well go prot
    Feng - ret
    Garajal - ret!!
    Spirit kings - ret (again shield not really worth the gamble - chest is awesome)
    Elegon - ret
    Will - ret!!

    Zorlok - ret
    Ta'jak - ret!!
    Garalon - no good items , but ehh might as well go prot
    Mel'jarak - ret!!
    Amber Shaper - prot
    Shek'zeer - probably ret to increase chance for a set token.

    Protectors - ret
    Tsulong - prot (nothing good here though)
    Lei Shi - depends but probably ret
    Sha - prot for weapon , ret for set
    Last edited by Nillo; 2013-07-18 at 04:47 AM.
    Armories:
    Pally: Chiaki
    Dk: Telare
    Warrior: Irlida

  9. #3109
    So keep a 483?

    Meanwhile when you see a trade pug raid that says minimum 500 ilvl you don't get to raid? Not practical in a video game.
    Last edited by Drummerboy; 2013-07-18 at 04:34 AM.

  10. #3110
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Okay the only rule is "HOLD OUT FOR ALL BIS. IT ALWAYS DROPS AND YOU WILL NEVER NEED ANYTHING ELSE". You're suggestions work when you can funnel gear and always win with Charms. My years experience is holding out for BiS (or holding out for that raise, job promotion, woman, etc) will put you behind. You can't always get what you want; and b. "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong."

    Hey though good luck on holding out for each BiS item.
    My point was you will NEVER GET THOSE BIS ITEMS WHEN YOU SPEC PROT FOR THOSE BOSSES.

    Christ, can you just accept that you made a bad call? What was just a faux pas is now turning into something really obnoxious.

    I don't have any clue what the non-game-related topics of your post have to do with ANYTHING, but please add debating to prot-pal advice giving on the list of things you shouldn't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    4p means you don't have to decide between ShoR and WoG, you can have both.
    Right, its not a BAD thing, it's simply a "bonus"...go figure, right? It's a QOL change to reduce the WOG-penalty mostly...I'm just not super impressed with it was my point. I guess I got too attached to the first iteration of the 2-then-4 pc bonus giving us a fundamental playstyle change.

    Lets avoid attitudes like this please- Krekko
    Last edited by Krekko; 2013-07-18 at 07:35 AM.
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    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
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  11. #3111
    So, just did a 2-3 pull of Dark Animus tonight for our first heroic kill on 25H. Just want to say that we figured out how to make the fight a joke for us. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...1099#Promdates It helps to have 700k vengeance My first #2 in the world.



  12. #3112
    The question wasn't "How can I min/max my toon from LFR?" it was "Should I just be set in Ret for all fights?" The questions are very different and come from different backgrounds. Therefore the answer is NOT the same. Because if the answer is the same that person will be running ToT LFR until the end of 5.4 to wait for each specific one item that was mentioned. I provided alternatives that would still get his toon able to move on to the next level whether it's normals or SoO LFR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    So, just did a 2-3 pull of Dark Animus tonight for our first heroic kill on 25H. Just want to say that we figured out how to make the fight a joke for us. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...1099#Promdates It helps to have 700k vengeance My first #1 in the world.
    Grats! /10char

  13. #3113
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    So keep a 483?

    Meanwhile when you see a trade pug raid that says minimum 500 ilvl you don't get to raid? Not practical in a video game.
    Who said anything about a 483?

    Or anything about trade chat?

    Seriously, wtf are you on about?

    I feel like we need to make a "Drummerboy random musings" thread, where you can discuss whatever it is you're trying to hash out in a safe, controlled environment. Put it in some other forum, where you're not cluttering up the ADVICE thread with what can only be described with as, at best, bad advice, and at worst, some sort of schizophrenic dancing around any actual coherent discussion.
    Last edited by Nairobi; 2013-07-18 at 04:40 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
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    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
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  14. #3114
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Who said anything about a 483?

    Or anything about trade chat?

    Seriously, wtf are you on about?
    Again you don't have the big picture...

    A person asked if they should just stay ret for loot spec in ToT LFR. Based on that I can make these assumptions:

    1. They are likely geared from the previous LFR. IE they are in 483 or less
    2. They don't have a regular raiding team or might be just starting.
    3. Based on the status of 2 they may be more reliant on pugging until they can fill a slot in a team.

    Though likelihood of these answers are not 100% they can probably cover a very high percentage of those who would ask that question. So given this is it better to:
    A. Tell them to lock into BiS items.
    B. Give them options that will help their toon possibly find more options than gearing from ToT LFR.

    This is why I gave more options than helmet from a, shield from b, neck from c, etc.

  15. #3115
    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    So, just did a 2-3 pull of Dark Animus tonight for our first heroic kill on 25H. Just want to say that we figured out how to make the fight a joke for us. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...1099#Promdates It helps to have 700k vengeance My first #2 in the world.
    Grats yo. Did you maintain a few adds throughout to keep up veng, or spike hard in the opening and ride the wave? I'm not as familiar with 25m strat to know if it's even possible, but I've started trying to keep a small golem on me for veng and to bait empowers. Though, it's a bit superfluous after I'm on massives, I suppose...just J/AS on boss while standing out in Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Again you don't have the big picture...

    A person asked if they should just stay ret for loot spec in ToT LFR. Based on that I can make these assumptions:

    1. They are likely geared from the previous LFR. IE they are in 483 or less
    2. They don't have a regular raiding team or might be just starting.
    3. Based on the status of 2 they may be more reliant on pugging until they can fill a slot in a team.

    Though likelihood of these answers are not 100% they can probably cover a very high percentage of those who would ask that question. So given them is it better to:
    A. Tell them to lock into BiS items.
    B. Give them options that will help their toon possibly find more options than gearing from ToT LFR.

    This is why I gave more options than helmet from a, shield from b, neck from c, etc.
    But your suggestions are locking them OUT of BIS items, for no gain. Which is the big picture we're trying to explain to you. OP asked about TOT LFR loot spec, not how to get into a trade chat pug. You're making a lot of wild assumptions which may (or may not) be valid or in any way applicable. Either way, they're not part of the question and shouldn't be part of the answer, especially if it makes you answer the way you did.

    You've created this entirely artificial scenario about this lonely raider who's looking for a home and how to get there, when all he asked was "what should I set loot spec to?".

    TL;DR - There is no reason to be Prot on JinRohk. There is no reason to be Prot on Primo. Qon is a good source of a weapon (and tier), so should be coined as Prot. Lei Shen is a great tank loot pinata, and should be coined as such. Rest of the instance is Ret, or you're shooting yourself in the foot for the "big picture".
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    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
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  16. #3116
    In my career when someone asks me a question it's more important for me to know why they are asking me the question than the question itself. The "why" is the context and not the "what". When a person asks me "Can you get me a new computer?" my first answer isn't "Yes here is what I'll buy?" it's "Why do you think you need a new computer?"

    But alas on the internet no one has patience and just wants to give the answer and move on.

    In light of this,
    You are right Nairobi, promdate, Nillo, Butler, Kittycovox, and everyone else. I gave absolutely useless advice. I apologizing for being a waste of forum space.

  17. #3117
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Grats yo. Did you maintain a few adds throughout to keep up veng, or spike hard in the opening and ride the wave? I'm not as familiar with 25m strat to know if it's even possible, but I've started trying to keep a small golem on me for veng and to bait empowers. Though, it's a bit superfluous after I'm on massives, I suppose...just J/AS on boss while standing out in Africa.
    Yeah, I sat on the boss in the beginning with 2 adds linked on me. I can totally see why there's going to be a 50% veng cap in 25's next tier since I was constantly sitting with 500-700k.



  18. #3118
    This has nothing to do with your or my or anyone else's career and how it functions daily. To assume so is what got us here in the first place.

    The average consumer going into a Best Buy/WalMart/CompUSA doesn't have a clue about PC hardware, software, or options. They just know that the store carries and sells computers. In this case, it is safe (and perhaps helpful) to answer their questions with follow-up questions to establish what they want. However, if someone came in saying "Hey, I need a new vid card, I need to replace one of the GTX 660Ti's that I'm running in SLI", you wouldn't say "Gee sir, what makes you think that you'd want a GTX 660Ti?". That'd be asinine. Know your audience.

    The average WOW player is about as adept at WOW as the first shopper in our example above. However, given that only a VERY select few % of the players care enough about the game, raiding, and their character's performance to seek out a 3rd party site to ask other players about these topics, we can assume that most (if not all) posters on this forum are far more like the second shopper. He doesn't want to be sold something, or have his questions questioned. He knows enough about what he's asking to form a direct and concise question, and deserves a commensurate answer.

    Know your audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    Yeah, I sat on the boss in the beginning with 2 adds linked on me. I can totally see why there's going to be a 50% veng cap in 25's next tier since I was constantly sitting with 500-700k.
    Yeah I usually run up to ~650 with 3 adds in the start, then hover ~200 for the remainder depending on RNG of adds and shield bounces. Gonna miss that!

    But big grats, #2 on your first kill, lolz. I got a #1 JinRohk on our first kill, but that was week 2, which was a lot less impressive :P Still held it for a couple weeks!

    PS - I read all your posts as if you were Gordon Ramsay.
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
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  19. #3119
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    So keep a 483?

    Meanwhile when you see a trade pug raid that says minimum 500 ilvl you don't get to raid? Not practical in a video game.
    I'm keeping my 496 ring since it's better than most alternatives.

  20. #3120
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    The average consumer going into a Best Buy/WalMart/CompUSA doesn't have a clue about PC hardware, software, or options.
    Not sure why you're talking to me about brick and mortar. I work in a corporate environment. It might have been the detail in the context missed "Can you get me a new computer", not "What computer should I buy". Again context is in the details. Apparently you didn't know your audience.

    As far as your assumptions about users being on their "second chopper" I think that's a very broad assumption. Considering MMO-C is one of the few places left to get advice "outside of the wow official forums" of course we will get novices coming in here to ask questions. Your audience isn't always what you think it is. That's again where the words used in the question can tell a lot about what the person is actually looking for.

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