1. #3201
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Probably 50 mastery although I don't see the point in using that enchant °_°
    I went shield spike some months ago and did not change it. It hits for ~850 dmg and chance is ~50% on block. So not very strong but the rest just feels so useless.

    @Kittycovox: Twins is easy as tank. I use to tank the boss and the beast in P1. OT taunts off, when beast spawns on me and i went out a bit. Advantage is, you can hit ranges before the barrage with HolyPrism, because using it on the boss doesn't hit ranges and melees don't take considerable damage.
    In P2 just place yourself next to a meteor and make sure, she has the Frozen debuff (don't know the english name) and so loses fire-stacks. Use unglyphed DP for the 2nd fan of flames. I use speed of light to get behind the meteors for inferno. We always used the Tiger (slow) for the first inferno, because every 2nd try the 2nd meteor doen't spawn before the inferno. In P3 tank the bosses together and clear the stacking fire buffs via meteor. Let ranges/healers stay spread. Use slow for the first tidal waves. Throw all raid CDs for inferno/cosmic barrage, you don't need them later. P4 = P1 without the funny rogues attacking the raid from shadow.

    After all the fight is all about ranges not dieing. Feel free to use 7 healers.

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    You don't really need to tankswap for beast of nightmares (I don't) and the other tank can focus solely on revealing adds ASAP. Plus, not swapping gives you a lot of damage on Lulin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    You don't really need to tankswap for beast of nightmares (I don't) and the other tank can focus solely on revealing adds ASAP. Plus, not swapping gives you a lot of damage on Lulin.
    Moving out with the beast helps healers not get extra stacks of the debuff though, since they put some aoe healing in melee range. (25man here, ofc)
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  4. #3204
    It sucked when they changed so it would spawn multiple beasts.

    Previously there would only spawn a beast on a target if there was no beast on the target. So since we were solo tanking, I just found out that it was smarter for me to focused shield in order not to cleave. Then I simply went full out single target, ignoring the beast. What this meant was when the second and third beast would spawn, the first beast was still alive so they would not spawn. As soon as the third beast "spawned" I just finished off the first beast which was usually on 10-40% from my consecration as this point.

    Though they changed that now. Beasts spawn regardless of another being alive now.

    There is only one semi-reliable way to force beasts not to spawn that I know of now, though it requires expert precision and can only be done every 10 minutes for each player that can do it. So, it is only really viable for 25 mans to skip all 3 beasts, 10 mans can maybe skip 1 or 2, but dont see the hassle being worth it.
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  5. #3205
    Quote Originally Posted by rawhammer View Post
    regarding trinkets again - everyone seems to be sitting over hit cap....but still using the fabled feather, tsk at wasted stats - wouldnt it be better to use the council mastery one instead, i picked it up last night and think it's great. on-use 90k hp buff isnt something to be sniffed at too.

    personally im not overawed by the strngth proc from fable....
    The Str proc from the Feather is simply brutal. Even with the stat loss it is a DPS gain over the SPA exp/str trinket.
    But if you want to go for survivability, then you can use the mastery one. I just don't see the point in it.

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    Aren't the beasts despawning in P2?
    I never tried it, but I remember something like that...
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    It's kinda amazing how many hands these guys have, anyway. Our tank pally can put his hands on 3 different people and still hold his weapon and shield and make unsavory gestures towards enemies.

  6. #3206
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    It sucked when they changed so it would spawn multiple beasts.

    Previously there would only spawn a beast on a target if there was no beast on the target. So since we were solo tanking, I just found out that it was smarter for me to focused shield in order not to cleave. Then I simply went full out single target, ignoring the beast. What this meant was when the second and third beast would spawn, the first beast was still alive so they would not spawn. As soon as the third beast "spawned" I just finished off the first beast which was usually on 10-40% from my consecration as this point.

    Though they changed that now. Beasts spawn regardless of another being alive now.

    There is only one semi-reliable way to force beasts not to spawn that I know of now, though it requires expert precision and can only be done every 10 minutes for each player that can do it. So, it is only really viable for 25 mans to skip all 3 beasts, 10 mans can maybe skip 1 or 2, but dont see the hassle being worth it.
    10 minutes. Skipping Beasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickwickman View Post
    10 minutes. Skipping Beasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    Moving out with the beast helps healers not get extra stacks of the debuff though, since they put some aoe healing in melee range. (25man here, ofc)
    Dunno how it is in 25 but in 10-man it isn't a problem. Only thing I need to do is have a macro to remove our MW's Renewing Mist (so he doesn't get stacks when using Upift) so I suppose even in 25-man you could do it NP by just removing any HoTs or wtvr that might give them stacks. Plus, only the first beast takes any time to die in 10HC, as you have the lowest vengeance. I always pop HA for third one and it falls in like 10 seconds, if that much.


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    Found tons of uses for the battle-banner in ToT to be honest.
    Probably forgot some

    Jin - Soaking the nature punch, whatever it is called, allows a solo tank to reset stacks. I have no idea if the scout can get thrown with the thundering throw to be honest, could be worth testing
    Horridon - Great for soaking the tripple puncture that lines up with a dire call, it is like an extra CD
    Tortos - Guess you can soak a snapping bite but I would never bother tbh.
    Ji-Kun - Can soak a talon rake, allowing a solo tank to reset stacks. If coupled with a ghost iron dragonling it makes for very very easy stack resets.
    Used it a few times here to reset stacks when my co-tank died for whatever reasons.
    Durumu - Can take a hard stare, guess it can be nice but I never bothered with it.
    Twins - The beasts, can also soak fan of flame
    LS - Can soak decapitate (looks hillarious btw), can also soak fusion punch but no idea why you would do that
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    Twins - The beasts, can also soak fan of flame
    Probably a more useful use of the item than skipping a beast.
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  11. #3211
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Probably a more useful use of the item than skipping a beast.
    It is almost impossible to time it properly with fan of flame though as the timer is very unreliable, timing it with beasts is easy and it is a dps increase since you dont have to waste dps on it as a tank.

    I guess it is doable with the fan in heroic after the nuclear inferno.
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  12. #3212
    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    Currently thinking about what tank to play in 5.4. I have Blood DK and Prot Paladin. Both with 540+ Itemlevel. co-tank is a Monk.
    Anyone got some feedback?[/FONT]
    ProtPal/Monk will still remain the strongest combo in 10s, due to the amount of raid healing contributed. Prot didn't lose BH, we just get a new version. The new version is actually stronger at raid healing than the old one (just with the tradeoff of personal healing). BrM raid-guards are insanely powerful, and even with the riposte bandaid, DK's will be markedly behind both of these classes in DPS. And DK's still have fuckall for raid cooldowns and raid buffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by rawhammer View Post
    regarding trinkets again - everyone seems to be sitting over hit cap....but still using the fabled feather, tsk at wasted stats - wouldnt it be better to use the council mastery one instead, i picked it up last night and think it's great. on-use 90k hp buff isnt something to be sniffed at too.

    personally im not overawed by the strngth proc from fable....
    I'm sitting at ~8.2% hit, fucking animus has never ever ever dropped a conq chest ever. If I could swap in Ret tier chest, I'd be fine. Even if I never could, I'd still rock feather over the FotZ trinket. I've got a HC version of it in my bags "just in case", but I've not ever seen an encounter or even situation where I said to myself "Self, I sure could use an extra 10% hp for a few seconds every 2 minutes!". Mastery is great, but I don't need any more than what I have.

    That said, it's a great DK trinket, since it's a mastery bank and you can macro the HP boost to Death Pact for moar heelz.

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    Also, why would you want to/need to skip beasts? I don't think I've used any personal cooldowns or externals in phase1, ever, and our self-heal/sustain keeps us up NP. We run Disc/MW/HPal to keep the raid up, but I pretty much handle myself with SOI/SS, and the occasional HPr and/or WOG if needed. Skipping beasts just slows down the burn.

    I tried clicking off ReM from our monk, but we decided it was easier for him to just fistweave. Between that and the disc, we usually have LuLin ~15% going into phase 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Also, why would you want to/need to skip beasts?
    Because we can! *Sunglasses on*

    In all seriousness though, for the sole purpose of just gaining more dps on the boss. Nothing more to it. If you need to deal less damage to beasts as tank you can deal more damage to the boss.
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  14. #3214
    I suppose. Soon, though, we're going to have to hold DPS to prevent killing her before P2. Which we tried one week (since, in LFR, it bugs out the fight and Suen just melee's the entire time), but in HC it is quite obnoxious to have no comets

    If you want to eek out more boss DPS, can just keep AS unglyphed and focus boss and let the cons/AS cleave work down the beast passively. t90 cleaves as well, if you choose to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Because we can! *Sunglasses on*

    In all seriousness though, for the sole purpose of just gaining more dps on the boss. Nothing more to it. If you need to deal less damage to beasts as tank you can deal more damage to the boss.
    I've had 2 beasts at the same time on some of our first heroic kills which gives some really decent vengeance.
    The only beast that really needs to be focused is the last one because you don't want to have an add up for the sun phase ~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    I've had 2 beasts at the same time on some of our first heroic kills which gives some really decent vengeance.
    The only beast that really needs to be focused is the last one because you don't want to have an add up for the sun phase ~
    Yup, the only beast I focus nowadays would be the last one, but usually I just make the last one despawn, so I keep the 2 first beasts on my for as long as possible and just skip the third beast. Found this to be the optimal solution atleast for me. Having the 2 first alive does not really matter much as I can still just tunnel the boss without bothering cleaving them. As long as I skip the third beast I dont really have to waste any boss dps on the beasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    ProtPal/Monk will still remain the strongest combo in 10s, due to the amount of raid healing contributed. Prot didn't lose BH, we just get a new version. The new version is actually stronger at raid healing than the old one (just with the tradeoff of personal healing). BrM raid-guards are insanely powerful, and even with the riposte bandaid, DK's will be markedly behind both of these classes in DPS. And DK's still have fuckall for raid cooldowns and raid buffs.
    Why is the new BH stronger? Doesn't the glyph work as it does on live 'cept that it removes our self-healing?

    I still don't quite get why we get these nerfs (BH and Alabaster Shield glyphs) while Monks can pull as much Raid Healing as we can while being able to outDPS us by a mile in the process. Losing BH really pisses me off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    Why is the new BH stronger? Doesn't the glyph work as it does on live 'cept that it removes our self-healing?

    I still don't quite get why we get these nerfs (BH and Alabaster Shield glyphs) while Monks can pull as much Raid Healing as we can while being able to outDPS us by a mile in the process. Losing BH really pisses me off.
    it's stronger in that it now targets the raider with the lowest health - ie. a smart heal for someone who actually needs it, as opposed to live where it overheals quite nicely.

    it's weaker in that it removes our self healing from SoI

    pros/cons etc.

    also i agree with monks - nerf them to the ground baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    Why is the new BH stronger? Doesn't the glyph work as it does on live 'cept that it removes our self-healing?
    No.

    It converts our current SoI ticks on ourselves to smart raid heals. It no longer depends on the physical damage you do.
    Your SoI heals are larger than your previous BH heals.
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    I see. Not that up to date. Guess it can work for fights where we don't take that much of a beating. Still don't quite get why our raid healing is the only one getting targeted.


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