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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    I see. Not that up to date. Guess it can work for fights where we don't take that much of a beating. Still don't quite get why our raid healing is the only one getting targeted.
    because OMG bubble plate and healz!

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    Alright, thanks guys. Guess I'm gonna stick with the Pala then in 5.4. Was my first choice anyways.
    Prot Pala just feels and plays alot smoother than DK does. If they would only add a "non-zonable" AoE slow like chillblains :-/

    Anyways. Did you notice, Firefly went to Raids & Dungeons again and didn't get banned. I think that deserves recognition! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    Anyways. Did you notice, Firefly went to Raids & Dungeons again and didn't get banned. I think that deserves recognition! :-)
    I'm still waiting on his infraction numbers! I cling to the belief that I did get more than him!


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    I need someone to help me figure out how much Holy Power per minute (and second) you have at 18k haste (42.35%). Or if someone has the formula where I can fill in the haste value. Need it for a future post that I'm coming up with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    Anyways. Did you notice, Firefly went to Raids & Dungeons again and didn't get banned. I think that deserves recognition! :-)
    I didnt even get an infraction yet. It is amazing.

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    I'm still waiting on his infraction numbers! I cling to the belief that I did get more than him!
    Oh! Didnt know we were posting numbers. I only got 8 infractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    I need someone to help me figure out how much Holy Power per minute (and second) you have at 18k haste (42.35%). Or if someone has the formula where I can fill in the haste value. Need it for a future post that I'm coming up with.
    For 5.4:

    ((1/4.5)+(1/6.75))*1.4235
    or 0.52722 HoPo/Second

    Only counting CS and J HoPo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    Alright, thanks guys. Guess I'm gonna stick with the Pala then in 5.4. Was my first choice anyways.
    Prot Pala just feels and plays alot smoother than DK does. If they would only add a "non-zonable" AoE slow like chillblains :-/

    Anyways. Did you notice, Firefly went to Raids & Dungeons again and didn't get banned. I think that deserves recognition! :-)
    I agree, which is a shame, as my DK has long been my favorite alt to tank with, probably because they were the pioneers of AM, before the rest of us got it. However, now that AM has been rolled out to all classes, the prototype model is showing its age Poor scaling, poor vengeance interaction, lack of meaningful raid utility or cooldowns, and poor stat scaling outside of mastery means that the class that WAS the frontrunner for skillcap as a tank is now seriously hamstrung by tradition.

    They're still great for soloing, and CMs, and 5mans, and PVP too, but progression raiding is just a poor fit for a DK, especially in 10m. 25 can make use of them far easier, but blood just has so many shortcomings in 10m. Sad, because my DK has 310 flying (miss the days where ICC drakes gave that skill for free!) and the CM set/portals, so that's a lot of convenience to miss out on, but man...trading it in for a Brewmaster feels like getting rid of that 100k mile car from 8 years ago and hopping into the new model.

    Monks have so much versatility, damage, raid utility, mobility and one of the best AM systems ever. There is no comparison. I do feel a slight lack of CDs for when I get into oh-shit moments compared to a BDK or ProtPal, but that's likely because the latter 2 classes have an ungodly amount of those abilities rather than the monks not having enough. Only downside is now I've gotta get good flying and do CMs on the monk

    Paladin is still the best choice in 10s, hands down, even if there are not cheesable debuffs to abuse. But, there have always been, and it's safe to assume always will be something that we can bubble/bop off. Paladin has the best and most complete toolkit, lacking really only a proper gap closer and a reliable snare (come 5.4), but with LH and the new Glyph of Burden, we can make do with proper placement/timing of snares, and still have the rest of every other tool in the shed. It's also the most fluid, most skill-based and rewarding AM system that exists. Yes, I realize I'll catch heat for the skill comment, but think before you speak: I'm purely referring to the fact that our AM "window" is only 3 seconds long. Shuffle is able to sit at 100% uptime with a castsequence macro, and EB uptimes are easily in the 80-100% in CURRENT tier. DS/Blood shield can be used either before, or after an attack (depending on the need), plus with passives like Purg and WotN (and 2min Pact, 1min VB+tap/DS, etc), you get a lot of bailouts on BDK without any keystrokes. Rage-tanks admittedly I am rusty on, but as I recall Protwar basically boils down to keep up SBar, block if there's lots of shit. Bears can dodge, press a button to get more dodge, or just facetank with armor cap and heal up after; quintessential meatshield.

    For as much as it seems like DKs got the short end of the stick this expansion, Paladins got the commensurately long end of it. And to think, I almost main-swapped paladin to DK going into 5.0...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I didnt even get an infraction yet. It is amazing.

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    Oh! Didnt know we were posting numbers. I only got 8 infractions.

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    BOOYAH!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
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    BOOYAH!
    Whaaaat? lol what are you using for avatars man?
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    I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

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    Perhaps

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    Are related...? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    Perhaps

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    Are related...? :P
    I plead the fifth!

    No, the avatar/sig is just the scrapbot being retarded and infracting me for having a sig that's 2 pixels over the limit (yes).

    The pornography one was because some dude was asking around for a working bot to farm BGs and, well, I like to mislead botters.


  11. #3231
    So, somewhat OT for this thread, but it pertains to our t16 2pc.

    Since the Prot gloves are better itemized than the Ret ones (lol, that's a first), it got me thinking...if you were to use 2 pieces of Prot tier as Ret (hands+shoulder/chest probably, since it's accuracy/mastery IIRC) would the bonus work during the cast of GoAK? As in, would you get healed up for 200% of the damage taken during the THIRTY seconds of GoAK active? That could be insane for PVP!
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
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    I feel like such an angel compared to you two, I've only got:
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    So that would be .5272 holy power per second, or 31.632 HoPo/min?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    So, somewhat OT for this thread, but it pertains to our t16 2pc.

    Since the Prot gloves are better itemized than the Ret ones (lol, that's a first), it got me thinking...if you were to use 2 pieces of Prot tier as Ret (hands+shoulder/chest probably, since it's accuracy/mastery IIRC) would the bonus work during the cast of GoAK? As in, would you get healed up for 200% of the damage taken during the THIRTY seconds of GoAK active? That could be insane for PVP!
    I imagine its tied to spell ID, which is different for all the 3 GotAK spells unfortunately, but its a cool idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    So, somewhat OT for this thread, but it pertains to our t16 2pc.

    Since the Prot gloves are better itemized than the Ret ones (lol, that's a first), it got me thinking...if you were to use 2 pieces of Prot tier as Ret (hands+shoulder/chest probably, since it's accuracy/mastery IIRC) would the bonus work during the cast of GoAK? As in, would you get healed up for 200% of the damage taken during the THIRTY seconds of GoAK active? That could be insane for PVP!
    Edit: Kinda silly post, just realised you were referring to retribution paladins using prot tier piece. But fine will let it stay.

    Did you just mention prot paladin and PvP in the same post?

    Correct me if I am wrong but the duration of GoAK is twelve seconds, not thirty.
    As the bonus works is that say, you take 600k damage during the 12 seconds GoAK is active. After GoAK fades, those 600k damage then get split equally into a HoT over 12 seconds ( 600k / 12 = 50k ), a 50k HoT tick each second for twelve seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    So that would be .5272 holy power per second, or 31.632 HoPo/min?
    Yes. That is correct. Which also means a 52.72% uptime on SotR disregarding GC procs, tier bonuses and T5 talents,which by the way, why do I have a feeling your upcoming post has to do with the T15 4p or the T16 4p bonus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Did you just mention prot paladin and PvP in the same post?

    Correct me if I am wrong but the duration of GoAK is twelve seconds, not thirty.
    As the bonus works is that say, you take 600k damage during the 12 seconds GoAK is active. After GoAK fades, those 600k damage then get split equally into a HoT over 12 seconds ( 600k / 12 = 50k ), a 50k HoT tick each second for twelve seconds.
    He means being Ret spec and using the Prot tier to benefit them specifically, as a bit of trollolol broken mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    So that would be .5272 holy power per second, or 31.632 HoPo/min?
    Sounds right, from quick napkin math. Haste cap would be ~2 additional HoPo/min, or 6 ShotRs across a 9min fight. That's....kinda disappointing

    Quote Originally Posted by Xs View Post
    I imagine its tied to spell ID, which is different for all the 3 GotAK spells unfortunately, but its a cool idea
    That's what I assumed/figured, didn't know if anyone had tried on PTR though.

    Also, @Firefly, Butler found out that the 2pc HoT is over 10 sec, ticking each second. So 600k dmg taken in would be 1200k heal (remember, the 2pc is 200% of dmg taken is converted to a heal), or 120k per sec, for 10 sec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    So, somewhat OT for this thread, but it pertains to our t16 2pc.

    Since the Prot gloves are better itemized than the Ret ones (lol, that's a first), it got me thinking...if you were to use 2 pieces of Prot tier as Ret (hands+shoulder/chest probably, since it's accuracy/mastery IIRC) would the bonus work during the cast of GoAK? As in, would you get healed up for 200% of the damage taken during the THIRTY seconds of GoAK active? That could be insane for PVP!
    I think each spec has a different spell ID, like XS said.

    What I really want to try is that thing I talked about yesterday regarding the set bonus with Glyph of Word of Glory and Glyph of Harsh Words. First one should work NP and we might just keep enough uptime to make it the most valuable DPS glyph, considering the nerf to Alabaster Shield.

    If the set bonus works with Harsh Words AND the first glyph then I bet we will be able to pull out some big ST nuke. I say we label such setup as Holy SHOCKTROOPadin. Done.


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    Harsh Words scales really poorly though. I remember doing the shark boss in Brawlers guild and kiting with J/Exo/HW...3HoPo HW was hitting for ~1/2-2/3 of a J. Obviously, prot will have higher AP with Veng, but the scalar will remain the same. I am 99% sure that BoG does not provide any effect to HW either, but I'm not sure if that's still accurate or will remain the case going into 5.4 (since they're altering how BoG interacts with non-self-cast WOGs).

    WOG glyph is a pretty easy choice, but I'm still not sold on HW due to it's weak damage. Would be fun to be wrong on that, though. Free, off the GCD nuke? Suuuure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    No, the avatar/sig is just the scrapbot being retarded and infracting me for having a sig that's 2 pixels over the limit (yes)
    So! If you disregard scrapbot being scrapbot with your avatar being 2 pixels over the limit! I win? Yay!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Also, @Firefly, Butler found out that the 2pc HoT is over 10 sec, ticking each second. So 600k dmg taken in would be 1200k heal (remember, the 2pc is 200% of dmg taken is converted to a heal), or 120k per sec, for 10 sec.
    Yeah true, it is 200% damage taken. Kinda forgot about that. Have not been pondering to much over this.

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    Using the WoG glyph is certainly something interesting. Lets say you have a 75% uptime of SotR. That means you are using SotR once every 4 seconds, or 12 seconds to use it 3 times to get that free WoG. In that case you would have 50% uptime of a 9% damage increase buff, effectively boosting your dps by 4.5%.
    Which is pretty significant. If you have a fight where you can cheese for GC procs you could possible get up to 100% uptime on that 9% damage increase buff without sacrificing SotR uptime.


    I am not really sure I want to get into the HW glyph since I petioned that on the PTRs a week ago. I really hope it will not go live.
    I can send you a PM if you want about it but wont post on the forums.
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