1. #3261
    HA can give you a higher effective uptime on tank-swap fights.
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  2. #3262
    I'm referring to single tank, only the paladin no one else, fights. Like Durumu and Iron Qon.



  3. #3263
    I'd probably go with the buffed SA unless you have something giving you lots of GC procs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    I'd probably go with the buffed SA unless you have something giving you lots of GC procs.

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    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...76#post9360476
    Didn't even get an infraction for that so idk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    HA can give you a higher effective uptime on tank-swap fights.
    Though DP can help with raid healing for some intense fights when off-tanking.


  5. #3265
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    HA can give you a higher effective uptime on tank-swap fights.
    Hope we don't see too many of those since the nerf to sit-tanking makes tank swaps painful for dps /:

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  6. #3266
    I just feel like HA is not even an option in T16. If you need a CD over throughput, SW is far superior in every aspect with the new buffs it recieved.

    That said, DP just scales so well with haste, the GC change and the T16 4p if you use that.
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    I agree. I'm a big fan of HA (maybe 'cuz I also play Ret PvP a lot?) but I gotta say DP just keeps getting better as I get more Haste and with the WoG set bonus in T16 (which I'll probably get due to Blizzard finally itemizing prot pieces properly) I think it will definitely be the best all around.

    Haven't looked into the changed SW that much yet but for now I'll assume you're correct in that it's the best choice for an extra defensive CD but.. What will be the best DPS one? Will HA, with the 30% damage increase be the best one for tight DPS races or will SW take that spot too?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    Haven't looked into the changed SW that much yet but for now I'll assume you're correct in that it's the best choice for an extra defensive CD but.. What will be the best DPS one? Will HA, with the 30% damage increase be the best one for tight DPS races or will SW take that spot too?
    I think it is gonna depend how good you can stack those abilities up with other abilities, but my guess is that if you can get your hands on the trinket that reduces SWs CD, it will win out over HA. But if you do not have that trinket it is probably gonna be pretty even.
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  9. #3269
    The point that I'm trying to prove is that you are able to get 100% SotR uptime RIGHT NOW wearing T15 4P. But the problem is that Divine Purpose is very random, as I pointed out getting 28 in 5:36 (5 hp/min), 26 in 8:52 (2.93 hp/m), and 30 in 8:09 (3.68 hp/m). The lowest my 4P bonus has given me was 2.08 holy power per minute, the most was 10.36.



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    Which Legendary meta should we be taking for a haste build? I'm in ToT 10 N progression. Just started last week. Moved from a mastery to a haste build this week. I like the feel and speed alot better but my damage intake feels more spiky.

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    Capacitative. The one that gives crit and a damage proc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    The point that I'm trying to prove is that you are able to get 100% SotR uptime RIGHT NOW wearing T15 4P. But the problem is that Divine Purpose is very random, as I pointed out getting 28 in 5:36 (5 hp/min), 26 in 8:52 (2.93 hp/m), and 30 in 8:09 (3.68 hp/m). The lowest my 4P bonus has given me was 2.08 holy power per minute, the most was 10.36.
    If it's based on the proc, i doubt it's "proof" it's more of "sometimes you can get 100% uptime if rng is favorable"

  13. #3273
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    If it's based on the proc, i doubt it's "proof" it's more of "sometimes you can get 100% uptime if rng is favorable"
    So long as ShoR is active when the melee swing lands, it doesn't matter if you don't quite get 100% uptime
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    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    If it's based on the proc, i doubt it's "proof" it's more of "sometimes you can get 100% uptime if rng is favorable"
    There's nothing RNG about the bonus. You are clearly telegraphed when a boss will do a big damage spike on you, or you stand in things to gain holy power that way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    There's nothing RNG about the bonus. You are clearly telegraphed when a boss will do a big damage spike on you, or you stand in things to gain holy power that way.
    referring to using div purpose

  16. #3276
    If switching to HA means that I can get a better uptime, then I'll go back to doing it, as sometimes with DivPurp it's either "WOO LOTS OF PROCS" or "holy shit, when will this ever proc". You'd think with almost 18k haste, that the talent would give more than 3HP/m sometimes.



  17. #3277
    I still only use DP on 4 fights: Council, Tortos, Primo and RaDen.

    I feel like HA lines up better on everything else, either in terms of a DPS CD or a Defensive CD/autopilot.

    Jin - We kill him in the first pool, so the DPS boost is nice/reliable
    Horri - Up for every door, and for cruise control at the end (both dmg AND defense)
    Meg - Up for every burn head
    JiKun - TBH prob should go DP here but I pop it at start, then again with feed young + lust (we do 2 nests and burn)
    Durumu - tried DP, didn't like it. Much prefer the wings/HA combo coming out of walls phase so I can go stand alone and not deal with other shit
    Qon - Phase 4 FTW
    Twins - Burn at start of each phase
    LS - various uses, but value "on demand" instead of RNG here.

    Anyway, I've long been a proponent/die-hard user of HA. I suspect that may be over in 5.4 but I'm just not thrilled with DP. There are times on council/tortos that I literally open up my talents tree to make sure that I clicked "Learn", since I don't see a proc in 45-60 seconds...
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  18. #3278
    I use DP on most fights (all heroic). HA is used for Dark Animus, since taking multiple golems on the pull can be dicey. Another cooldown on top of GoAK & AD is very nice.

    For Iron Qon, I bubble my Impale stacks before the Windstorm. It usually gets to 7 stacks, but I've seen 8 sometimes. HA is a nice cooldown to use, along with the dogs & boss in P4.

    I like it for Twins as well. Having some sort of cooldown up with a beast and the boss on me is nice.

    The final place I use it is Lei Shen. Eating the first decap with AD then popping wings & HA with a few /sit thrown in makes for some nice DPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I still only use DP on 4 fights: Council, Tortos, Primo and RaDen.

    I feel like HA lines up better on everything else, either in terms of a DPS CD or a Defensive CD/autopilot.

    Jin - We kill him in the first pool, so the DPS boost is nice/reliable
    Horri - Up for every door, and for cruise control at the end (both dmg AND defense)
    Meg - Up for every burn head
    JiKun - TBH prob should go DP here but I pop it at start, then again with feed young + lust (we do 2 nests and burn)
    Durumu - tried DP, didn't like it. Much prefer the wings/HA combo coming out of walls phase so I can go stand alone and not deal with other shit
    Qon - Phase 4 FTW
    Twins - Burn at start of each phase
    LS - various uses, but value "on demand" instead of RNG here.

    Anyway, I've long been a proponent/die-hard user of HA. I suspect that may be over in 5.4 but I'm just not thrilled with DP. There are times on council/tortos that I literally open up my talents tree to make sure that I clicked "Learn", since I don't see a proc in 45-60 seconds...
    Omg thank god I'm not the only one ^^.
    Although on primordius, I like HA because I get to fully mutate myslef every time, and that sweet AW+HA+trinkets+potion on him is sweet since we 3heal this fight

  20. #3280
    I honestly don't think that i've used DP on any fight this expansion.
    For some i choose to go HA (while progressing on horridon / DA) but everything else is generally SW.

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